Next Day Serious Discussion Thread World Series Game 1 Cleveland Indians defeat Chicago Cubs 6-0 baseball

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0

CLE
2
0
0
1
0
0
0
3
x
6
10
0

Box Score

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Davis, R
5
0
1
0
0
1
.200

CF
Fowler
4
0
0
0
0
2
.000

2B
Kipnis
5
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Bryant
3
0
0
0
1
2
.000

SS
Lindor
4
1
3
0
0
0
.750

1B
Rizzo
4
0
0
0
0
0
.000

1B
Napoli
3
1
0
0
1
2
.000

LF
Zobrist
4
0
3
0
0
0
.750

DH
Santana, C
2
0
0
0
2
2
.000

DH
Schwarber
3
0
1
0
1
2
.333

3B
Ramirez, Js
4
0
3
1
0
0
.750

2B
Baez, J
4
0
1
0
0
2
.250

LF
Guyer
2
1
0
1
1
2
.000

RF
Coghlan
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

RF
Chisenhall
4
1
1
0
0
1
.250

PH-C
Contreras
2
0
1
0
0
0
.500

C
Perez, R
4
2
2
4
0
1
.500

SS
Russell
4
0
0
0
0
3
.000

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Kluber
6.0
4
0
0
0
9
88-59
0.00

Lester
5.2
6
3
3
3
7
97-57
4.76

Miller, A
2.0
2
0
0
2
3
46-26
0.00

Strop
0.2
0
0
0
0
1
6-5
0.00

Allen
1.0
1
0
0
0
3
17-11
0.00

Wood, T
0.1
0
0
0
0
0
8-5
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Jose Ramirez singles on a soft ground ball to third baseman Kris Bryant. Francisco Lindor scores. Mike Napoli to 3rd. Carlos Santana to 2nd.
1-0

1
Brandon Guyer hit by pitch. Mike Napoli scores. Carlos Santana to 3rd. Jose Ramirez to 2nd.
2-0

4
Roberto Perez homers (1) on a line drive to left field.
3-0

8
Roberto Perez homers (2) on a fly ball to left center field. Brandon Guyer scores. Lonnie Chisenhall scores.
6-0

Highlights

WS2016 Gm1: Platten sings national anthem on FOX (2:05)
WS2016 Gm1: Lindor swipes second base on FOX (0:05)
WS2016 Gm1: Indians score two in 1st inning on FOX (0:08)
WS2016 Gm1: Miller whiffs Ross to escape jam on FOX (0:05)
WS2016 Gm1: Perez hammers a solo homer to left on FOX (0:07)
WS2016 Gm1: Kluber fans eight over three innings (0:10)
WS2016 Gm1: Davis catches fly ball, misses DP (0:27)
WS2016 Gm1: Ramirez opens scoring with infield hit (0:28)
WS2016 Gm1: Miller strikes out Schwarber, strands two (0:25)
WS2016 Gm1: Kluber fans nine in scoreless start (0:31)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Corey Kluber (19-9, 3.14)
Jon Lester (19-6, 2.44)

Game ended at 11:50 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Ben Lindbergh had an amazing article about how good the Indians are at shutting the door on comebacks.

Basically, if the Indians get a lead in the first inning they're as good as a 136-win team. Their bullpen has been so demonstrably destructive this year that they can basically maintain any lead they inherit.

It looks like this series will inherently come down to who can score first. The Cubs bullpen has looked a lot more vulnerable in the last few games, but their offense is so good that they could jump to an early lead and cut off Cleveland's biggest advantage.

This means it falls on Cleveland's starting pitchers to make sure they can at least get to somewhere around the sixth inning, like Kluber did last night, and let the artillery finish up the game.

Yeah, I don't think the Cubs had any shot. I think that may have been the best pitched game against the Cubs this year. His movement was unreal.

Yeah Kluber's command was ridiculous. The Cubs have seen Cueto, Bumgarner, and Kershaw in these playoffs and I think Kluber just put up the best performance of all of them. Even with that, they were just on the edge of breaking though, and hit a couple doubles off the wall.

For some reason I still feel really good going into Game 2. Obviously another loss tonight would be big trouble. A win though, going back to Wrigley 1-1, I like the Cubs chances.

I know they didn't capitalize but those 2 innings against Miller were VERY promising. Cubs will make pitchers work knowing that it can pay off later. Usually its during the game but for a bullpen pitcher like miller making him work in any game is good for them later.

Soooo many called third strikes when our guys just watched the ball go by. It looked like Kluber was hypnotizing people from the mound.

Same thing happened the first game we saw Kershaw and the next time we faced him he gave up 5. Hopefully we can come out swinging next time against Kluber and do damage.

We really gotta take tonight, and it's gonna be all about getting runs early.

We desperately need the 1-4 hitters to get going. The Indians set the pace last night and we never caught up–it felt like were running in first gear until the 7th, and even then we couldn't get runners across home plate.

We need a Schwarbomb (or 2, or 3) to set things straight and get the bats going.

Cubs danced on the edge all night. 6-0 looks bad, but they were so close to breaking through so many times. Happy that the Tribe got the W, but you simply cannot count anything out for a 7 game series.

Hopefully Bauer can come out today with the bullpen and nab another win. Not having the pressure to have to steal a win at Wrigley could be huge.

Yeah, we left a lot on the table last night. It was just an awkward game all around. Lester got rattled early because of the constantly-changing strike zone, Kluber was on God mode, and we gave up two easy runs in the first.

Seeing us leave the bases loaded in the 7th hurt. I was using a scorecard (as per my superstitious tradition) and just wrote an expletive on the sheet after that inning.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 6 Chicago Cubs defeat Los Angeles Dodgers 5-0 baseball

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

LAD
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
1

CHC
2
1
0
1
1
0
0
0
x
5
7
1

Box Score

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Fowler
4
1
2
1
0
2
.333

LF-CF
Toles
3
0
1
0
0
0
.462

3B
Bryant
4
1
1
1
0
1
.304

SS
Seager, C
3
0
0
0
0
1
.286

1B
Rizzo
4
1
2
1
0
0
.320

3B
Turner
3
0
0
0
0
0
.200

LF
Zobrist
3
0
0
1
0
1
.150

1B
Gonzalez, A
3
0
0
0
0
0
.190

RF
Heyward
0
0
0
0
0
0
.063

RF
Reddick
3
0
1
0
0
0
.364

2B
Baez, J
3
0
0
0
0
1
.318

CF
Pederson
2
0
0
0
0
2
.190

C
Contreras
3
1
1
1
0
0
.286

PH-LF
Kendrick
1
0
0
0
0
0
.154

SS
Russell
3
1
1
0
0
1
.273

C
Grandal
2
0
0
0
0
2
.083

RF-LF
Almora Jr.
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PH
Hernandez, E
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Hendricks
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

2B
Utley
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Chapman
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ruiz
0
0
0
0
1
0
.143

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Hendricks
7.1
2
0
0
0
6
88-57
0.71

Kershaw
5.0
7
5
4
0
4
93-67
3.00

Chapman
1.2
0
0
0
1
1
15-10
3.86

Jansen
3.0
0
0
0
0
4
30-24
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Kris Bryant singles on a soft line drive to right fielder Josh Reddick. Dexter Fowler scores.
1-0

1
Ben Zobrist out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Joc Pederson. Kris Bryant scores. Anthony Rizzo to 3rd.
2-0

2
Dexter Fowler singles on a sharp ground ball to left fielder Andrew Toles. Addison Russell scores. Dexter Fowler out at 2nd on the throw, left fielder Andrew Toles to third baseman Justin Turner to second baseman Chase Utley.
3-0

4
Willson Contreras homers (1) on a line drive to left field.
4-0

5
Anthony Rizzo homers (2) on a fly ball to right center field.
5-0

Highlights

NLCS Gm6: Cubs score two runs in the 1st on FS1 (0:11)
NLCS Gm6: Contreras hits a solo homer to left on FS1 (0:08)
NLCS Gm6: Chapman and Chapman combine for double play (0:10)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Kyle Hendricks (17-8, 2.13)
Clayton Kershaw (12-5, 1.69)

Game ended at 10:48 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Everyone on Bleed Cubbie Blue and Bleacher Nation were basically burning their Dempster jerseys out of anger lol

He turned down the Yankees. Dempster was really pushing for the FO to trade him to the Dodgers because he wanted to play with Ted Lilly but they couldn't make a deal work.

You're right! My mistake. Refused the Yankees because of the beard but the Dodgers never quite worked and they let Demo talk to the Dodgers GM directly. Cant believe I screwed that up

The way they talked about Kershaw leading up to the game compared to him you would have thought Kershaw was pitching against a waiter from Joe's Crab Shack or something

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 5 Chicago Cubs defeat Los Angeles Dodgers 8-4 baseball

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
1
0
0
0
0
2
0
5
0
8
13
0

LAD
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
1
2
4
9
1

Box Score

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

2B
Hernandez, E
2
0
0
0
1
1
.000

CF
Fowler
5
2
2
1
0
0
.304

PH-LF
Toles
1
1
1
1
0
0
.500

3B
Bryant
5
1
2
1
0
2
.316

3B
Turner
4
0
1
0
0
1
.235

1B
Rizzo
5
0
2
1
0
1
.286

SS
Seager, C
4
0
2
0
0
1
.333

LF
Zobrist
2
1
0
0
3
1
.176

C
Ruiz
4
0
1
1
0
0
.143

P
Strop
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF-2B
Kendrick
4
1
1
0
0
1
.167

P
Chapman
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

1B
Gonzalez, A
3
1
0
1
1
1
.222

2B
Baez, J
5
1
3
3
0
1
.368

RF
Puig
4
0
1
0
0
0
.308

RF
Heyward
4
0
0
0
0
2
.063

CF
Pederson
4
1
1
0
0
0
.211

SS
Russell
5
2
2
2
0
2
.263

P
Maeda
1
0
0
0
0
0
.500

C
Ross, D
2
0
1
0
1
0
.200

P
Fields, J
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-C
Contreras
2
1
1
0
0
0
.273

P
Dayton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Lester
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
1
0
0
0
0
1
.333

PH-LF
Almora Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Avilan
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Grandal
1
0
0
0
0
0
.100

P
Baez, P
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Stripling
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Reddick
1
0
1
1
0
0
.375

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Maeda
3.2
3
1
1
2
6
76-44
4.70

Lester
7.0
5
1
1
1
6
108-67
1.38

Fields, J
0.2
1
0
0
0
0
10-6
0.00

Strop
1.0
2
1
1
0
0
17-11
6.00

Dayton
0.2
0
0
0
0
1
12-6
0.00

Chapman
1.0
2
2
2
1
0
19-11
6.00

Blanton
1.1
3
2
2
0
2
19-15
21.00

Avilan
0.2
1
0
0
1
0
21-11
0.00

Baez, P
0.2
3
5
1
1
0
27-16
5.40

Stripling
1.1
2
0
0
0
0
18-11
13.50

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Anthony Rizzo doubles (1) on a line drive to right fielder Yasiel Puig. Dexter Fowler scores.
0-1

4
Adrian Gonzalez grounds out, first baseman Anthony Rizzo to second baseman Javier Baez. Howie Kendrick scores.
1-1

6
Addison Russell homers (2) on a fly ball to center field. Javier Baez scores.
1-3

8
Dexter Fowler singles on a ground ball to first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Addison Russell scores. Willson Contreras to 3rd.
1-4

8
Dodgers challenged (play at 1st), call on the field was upheld: Kris Bryant singles on a soft ground ball to third baseman Justin Turner. Willson Contreras scores. Dexter Fowler to 2nd.
1-5

8
Javier Baez doubles (4) on a line drive to right fielder Yasiel Puig. Dexter Fowler scores. Kris Bryant scores. Ben Zobrist scores.
1-8

8
Carlos Ruiz doubles (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Dexter Fowler. Andrew Toles scores.
2-8

9
Josh Reddick singles on a line drive to center fielder Dexter Fowler. Adrian Gonzalez scores. Joc Pederson to 3rd.
3-8

9
Andrew Toles out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Dexter Fowler. Joc Pederson scores.
4-8

Highlights

NLCS Gm5: Vin announces start of game (1:05)
NLCS Gm5: Russell belts two-run homer in 6th (0:08)
NLCS Gm5: Baez clears bases to give Cubs an 8-1 lead (0:08)
NLCS Gm5: Ross grabs popup on basket catch (0:16)
NLCS Gm5: Fan makes fantastic grab on foul line drive (0:26)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Jon Lester (20-5, 2.44)
Joe Blanton (7-3, 2.48)

Game ended at 12:28 AM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Absolutely amazing that we're one win from a World Series berth.

Sucks so hard that we have to go through Kershaw to get there Saturday.

This is the best Cubs team I've ever seen – going back to when I watched the 1984 Cubs as a young boy and my dad took me to watch my first game vs. the Mets on August 7, 1984. I also now fully understand how the MLB playoffs is such a crap shoot and the best team in the league has no better chance at winning it all than any other playoff team.

And yet despite the rational part of my brain completely understanding that fact, I can't understate how devastated I'd be if they don't get to the World Series this year.

Probably the ONLY thing that could assuage the pain would be if Kershaw comes out and pitches a legendary Game 6 and then comes back in relief in Game 7 and pitches 2 perfect innings. Getting beaten by the best pitcher of this generation would be understandable. So long as it's not a fluke Bartman play or Alex Gonzalez play or something equivalent.

But isn't it funny how I'm already thinking about the "best" way I hope for them to lose? That's what 30+ years of being a Cubs fan does to your psyche! LOL.

Perhaps by tomorrow night, I can actually start to come to grips with the notion that they might just actually win this damned thing…

we are all damaged goods at this point, to be sure. i'm having 2003 flashbacks today. i haven't had to think about that game in years.

i'm trying to listen to Maddon. he's not just teaching his players but really the whole North Side if you listen:

don't let the pressure exceed the pleasure. embrace the target. the process is fearless.

all that stuff can have meaning and value to a Cub fan — even the older, wiser ones.

I kind of like it. Makes me a little bitter that Kershaw dominated the Cubs so hard in game 2. I'd love for the team to clinch their 1st World Series berth since 1945 against one of the greatest pitchers ever.

Not that it means anything, but this series is offering something of a parallel to the 2013 NLCS, especially in where Kershaw pitches and the situation the Dodgers are in at that point. Just something interesting I noticed last night

Just remember…they struggled too last time these two matched up. I don't see 1 run being enough for them this time around.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 5 Cleveland Indians defeat Toronto Blue Jays 3-0 baseball

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CLE
1
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
3
6
0

TOR
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
1

Box Score

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

RF
Bautista
4
0
2
0
0
0
.167

1B
Santana, C
4
1
1
1
0
0
.167

3B
Donaldson
4
0
1
0
0
1
.333

2B
Kipnis
4
0
0
0
0
0
.053

1B
Encarnacion
4
0
0
0
0
2
.211

SS
Lindor
4
1
3
0
0
1
.368

SS
Tulowitzki
4
0
0
0
0
0
.111

DH
Napoli
4
0
1
0
0
2
.188

C
Martin, R
3
0
1
0
0
1
.118

3B
Ramirez, Js
4
0
0
0
0
0
.059

DH
Upton Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

RF
Chisenhall
4
0
0
0
0
3
.250

PH-DH
Saunders
1
0
1
0
0
0
.429

LF
Crisp
2
1
1
1
0
0
.250

PH-DH
Navarro
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

PH-LF
Davis, R
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF
Carrera
3
0
0
0
0
2
.235

CF
Naquin
3
0
0
0
0
1
.167

CF
Pillar
3
0
0
0
0
1
.063

C
Perez, R
3
0
0
0
0
2
.143

2B
Barney
3
0
0
0
0
0
.125

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Estrada
6.0
5
3
2
0
7
92-62
2.57

Merritt
4.1
2
0
0
0
3
49-33
0.00

Cecil
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
12-8
0.00

Shaw, B
1.0
2
0
0
0
2
17-12
2.70

Biagini
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
10-6
0.00

Miller, A
2.2
1
0
0
0
1
21-16
0.00

Osuna
1.0
1
0
0
0
1
11-7
0.00

Allen
1.0
1
0
0
0
2
17-12
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Mike Napoli doubles (2) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Ezequiel Carrera. Francisco Lindor scores. Fielding error by left fielder Ezequiel Carrera.
0-1

3
Carlos Santana homers (2) on a line drive to right field.
0-2

4
Coco Crisp homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
0-3

Highlights

ALCS Gm5: Napoli doubles, Lindor scores on error (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Homers give Indians lead 3-0 lead in Game 5 (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Shaw fans Carrera, Pillar to end the 5th (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Miller gets huge double play after review (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Miller retires Barney to end the 8th (0:20)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Bryan Shaw (3-5, 3.24)
Marco Estrada (9-10, 3.48)

Game ended at 6:50 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Jonathan Lucroy could be going to the World Series right now. That must be incredibly satisfying for Indians fans

No, he wanted to play for a team that was going to guarantee him the starting job at catcher for next year. Something the Indians didnt want to do.

I read somewhere that this desire for a guaranteed starting job next year was really an excuse. If the Indians gave up what they did for Lucroy, he would have been the starter. The Indians just didn't want to set the precedent of a player including a starting position in his contract.

He commended the Indians FO for being honest they didn't see him as a starter for 2017. I could be wrong about this, but I don't see how it would be possible to not only edit a guaranteed contract that has already been finalized years ago, but to also add a provision into his contract making him the starter for 2017. I think there is no precedent of this because its not aloud.

Except this isnt the place to do it, take it to the post game discussion or the Indians going to the WS thread, not the serious discussion one.

Despite all the downvotes, I agree with you. I thought this thread was for the serious discussion as opposed to the low-hanging jokes too.

I forget, did anyone ever produce evidence that this is true? Or is it just something that constantly gets parroted by people who want to shoot down Indians fans?

Anyone can win in the postseason. He doesn't look like that much of an idiot honestly. Only one team can win it all, the rangers were there just as much as the Indians, just didn't win. That's baseball.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 4 Chicago Cubs defeat Los Angeles Dodgers 10-2 baseball

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We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
0
0
0
4
1
5
0
0
0
10
13
2

LAD
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
2
6
4

Box Score

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

2B
Utley
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Fowler
5
1
2
1
0
0
.278

PH-LF-2B
Kendrick
3
0
1
0
0
1
.125

3B
Bryant
2
1
0
0
2
1
.286

SS
Seager, C
3
0
0
0
1
1
.286

1B
Rizzo
5
2
3
3
0
2
.250

3B
Turner
3
0
1
2
1
1
.231

LF
Zobrist
5
1
2
0
0
0
.200

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
1
0
0
0
.267

2B
Baez, J
3
1
1
1
1
0
.286

P
Wood, A
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Contreras
5
1
1
1
0
2
.222

RF
Reddick
1
0
0
0
0
0
.286

RF
Heyward
5
0
0
1
0
2
.083

PH-2B
Hernandez, E
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

SS
Russell
5
2
3
2
0
0
.214

P
Avilan
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Lackey
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Ruiz
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Montgomery
1
1
1
0
0
0
1.000

CF
Pederson
4
0
1
0
0
2
.200

PH
Soler
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C-1B
Grandal
3
0
0
0
1
1
.111

P
Edwards Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF-RF-LF
Toles
3
1
1
0
1
1
.444

P
Wood, T
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Urias, J
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Strop
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Baez, P
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Almora Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Fields, J
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Rondon
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
0
1
0
0
1
0
.500

P
Stripling
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Puig
2
0
1
0
0
0
.333

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Urias, J
3.2
4
4
4
2
4
72-48
9.82

Lackey
4.0
3
2
2
3
3
72-41
4.50

Baez, P
0.2
2
1
1
0
1
27-18
3.38

Montgomery
2.0
2
0
0
0
2
26-16
6.23

Fields, J
0.2
0
0
0
0
1
9-6
0.00

Edwards Jr.
0.2
0
0
0
1
1
13-7
0.00

Stripling
0.1
4
5
4
1
0
20-10
27.00

Wood, T
0.1
0
0
0
1
0
4-1
0.00

Avilan
1.2
1
0
0
0
1
24-17
0.00

Strop
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
16-9
4.50

Wood, A
2.0
2
0
0
0
1
32-24
0.00

Rondon
1.0
1
0
0
0
1
18-11
4.50

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

4
Willson Contreras singles on a line drive to left fielder Andrew Toles. Ben Zobrist scores. Willson Contreras to 2nd. Javier Baez advances to 3rd, on a throwing error by left fielder Andrew Toles.
0-1

4
Jason Heyward grounds out, second baseman Chase Utley to first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Javier Baez scores. Willson Contreras to 3rd.
0-2

4
Addison Russell homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field. Willson Contreras scores.
0-4

5
Anthony Rizzo homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field.
0-5

5
Justin Turner singles on a ground ball to left fielder Ben Zobrist, deflected by pitcher Mike Montgomery. Andrew Toles scores. Andre Ethier scores. Howie Kendrick to 3rd.
2-5

6
Dexter Fowler singles on a ground ball to right fielder Andrew Toles. Addison Russell scores. Mike Montgomery to 2nd.
2-6

6
Anthony Rizzo singles on a line drive to right fielder Andrew Toles. Mike Montgomery scores. Dexter Fowler scores. Kris Bryant to 2nd.
2-8

6
Javier Baez out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Joc Pederson. Kris Bryant scores. Anthony Rizzo scores. Ben Zobrist to 2nd. Throwing error by center fielder Joc Pederson.
2-10

Highlights

NLCS Gm4: Heyward nabs A-Gon on close play at home (0:12)
NLCS Gm4: Russell cranks a two-run homer off Urias (0:08)
NLCS Gm4: Rizzo rips a two-run single to right field (0:08)
NLCS Gm4: Puig lays out to snag Zobrist's liner (0:27)
NLCS Gm4: Contreras smacks RBI single to open scoring (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Rizzo launches a solo homer to right-center (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Fowler grounds an RBI single to right (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Cubs score two on sacrifice fly, error (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Heyward plates Baez with an RBI groundout (0:27)
NLCS Gm4: Turner gets the Dodgers on the board (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Urias works out of trouble in the 2nd (0:24)
NLCS Gm4: Statcast measures Contreras' great throw (0:29)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Mike Montgomery (5-5, 2.52)
Julio Urias (5-3, 3.39)

Game ended at 12:12 AM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Series is now a best 2 out of 3. Kind of scary. If the Cubs bats are back for real, they've gotta be the favorites going forward (better regular season team, homefield advantage, starting three ace-quality pitchers). There were about 1,908 articles written yesterday about how the Cubs were "tested for the first time" and that Game 4 "would show what the team was made of," etc….

Shockingly, Game 4 revealed to us that the Cubs are a good team.

Hate to say it, but I don't think you can count Arrieta as an ace right now. He pretty clearly hasn't been the same guy in the 2nd half and playoffs that he was the past couple seasons

Hes been mediocre in the playoffs and 2nd half of the season. Hes definitely not a #2 pitcher right now

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 5 Cleveland Indians defeat Toronto Blue Jays 3-0

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Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noonish eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CLE
1
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
3
6
0

TOR
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
1

Box Score

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

RF
Bautista
4
0
2
0
0
0
.167

1B
Santana, C
4
1
1
1
0
0
.167

3B
Donaldson
4
0
1
0
0
1
.333

2B
Kipnis
4
0
0
0
0
0
.053

1B
Encarnacion
4
0
0
0
0
2
.211

SS
Lindor
4
1
3
0
0
1
.368

SS
Tulowitzki
4
0
0
0
0
0
.111

DH
Napoli
4
0
1
0
0
2
.188

C
Martin, R
3
0
1
0
0
1
.118

3B
Ramirez, Js
4
0
0
0
0
0
.059

DH
Upton Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

RF
Chisenhall
4
0
0
0
0
3
.250

PH-DH
Saunders
1
0
1
0
0
0
.429

LF
Crisp
2
1
1
1
0
0
.250

PH-DH
Navarro
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

PH-LF
Davis, R
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF
Carrera
3
0
0
0
0
2
.235

CF
Naquin
3
0
0
0
0
1
.167

CF
Pillar
3
0
0
0
0
1
.063

C
Perez, R
3
0
0
0
0
2
.143

2B
Barney
3
0
0
0
0
0
.125

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Estrada
6.0
5
3
2
0
7
92-62
2.57

Merritt
4.1
2
0
0
0
3
49-33
0.00

Cecil
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
12-8
0.00

Shaw, B
1.0
2
0
0
0
2
17-12
2.70

Biagini
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
10-6
0.00

Miller, A
2.2
1
0
0
0
1
21-16
0.00

Osuna
1.0
1
0
0
0
1
11-7
0.00

Allen
1.0
1
0
0
0
2
17-12
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Mike Napoli doubles (2) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Ezequiel Carrera. Francisco Lindor scores. Fielding error by left fielder Ezequiel Carrera.
0-1

3
Carlos Santana homers (2) on a line drive to right field.
0-2

4
Coco Crisp homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
0-3

Highlights

ALCS Gm5: Napoli doubles, Lindor scores on error (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Homers give Indians lead 3-0 lead in Game 5 (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Shaw fans Carrera, Pillar to end the 5th (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Miller gets huge double play after review (0:20)
ALCS Gm5: Miller retires Barney to end the 8th (0:20)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Bryan Shaw (3-5, 3.24)
Marco Estrada (9-10, 3.48)

Game ended at 6:50 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Jonathan Lucroy could be going to the World Series right now. That must be incredibly satisfying for Indians fans

No, he wanted to play for a team that was going to guarantee him the starting job at catcher for next year. Something the Indians didnt want to do.

Except this isnt the place to do it, take it to the post game discussion or the Indians going to the WS thread, not the serious discussion one.

Anyone can win in the postseason. He doesn't look like that much of an idiot honestly. Only one team can win it all, the rangers were there just as much as the Indians, just didn't win. That's baseball.

Search Reddit for the phrase "Fuck Lucroy" and you'll have your answer.

Personally I'm happy with the outcome. Perez and Gomes have a great report with the pitching staff and can gun down runners. Plus there won't be those uncomfortable questions about Lucroy's future batted around by the media before and during the WS.

Realistically, both of Bautista's minor controversies were a bit overblown. You could see where he was coming from, and he probably just didn't word it right.

But in the playoffs, you can't afford to give the other team bulletin board material to rally around. Great job by Cleveland all around.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 4 Chicago Cubs defeat Los Angeles Dodgers 10-2

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We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
0
0
0
4
1
5
0
0
0
10
13
2

LAD
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
2
6
4

Box Score

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

2B
Utley
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Fowler
5
1
2
1
0
0
.278

PH-LF-2B
Kendrick
3
0
1
0
0
1
.125

3B
Bryant
2
1
0
0
2
1
.286

SS
Seager, C
3
0
0
0
1
1
.286

1B
Rizzo
5
2
3
3
0
2
.250

3B
Turner
3
0
1
2
1
1
.231

LF
Zobrist
5
1
2
0
0
0
.200

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
1
0
0
0
.267

2B
Baez, J
3
1
1
1
1
0
.286

P
Wood, A
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Contreras
5
1
1
1
0
2
.222

RF
Reddick
1
0
0
0
0
0
.286

RF
Heyward
5
0
0
1
0
2
.083

PH-2B
Hernandez, E
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

SS
Russell
5
2
3
2
0
0
.214

P
Avilan
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Lackey
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Ruiz
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Montgomery
1
1
1
0
0
0
1.000

CF
Pederson
4
0
1
0
0
2
.200

PH
Soler
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C-1B
Grandal
3
0
0
0
1
1
.111

P
Edwards Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF-RF-LF
Toles
3
1
1
0
1
1
.444

P
Wood, T
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Urias, J
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Strop
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Baez, P
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Almora Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Fields, J
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Rondon
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
0
1
0
0
1
0
.500

P
Stripling
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Puig
2
0
1
0
0
0
.333

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Urias, J
3.2
4
4
4
2
4
72-48
9.82

Lackey
4.0
3
2
2
3
3
72-41
4.50

Baez, P
0.2
2
1
1
0
1
27-18
3.38

Montgomery
2.0
2
0
0
0
2
26-16
6.23

Fields, J
0.2
0
0
0
0
1
9-6
0.00

Edwards Jr.
0.2
0
0
0
1
1
13-7
0.00

Stripling
0.1
4
5
4
1
0
20-10
27.00

Wood, T
0.1
0
0
0
1
0
4-1
0.00

Avilan
1.2
1
0
0
0
1
24-17
0.00

Strop
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
16-9
4.50

Wood, A
2.0
2
0
0
0
1
32-24
0.00

Rondon
1.0
1
0
0
0
1
18-11
4.50

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

4
Willson Contreras singles on a line drive to left fielder Andrew Toles. Ben Zobrist scores. Willson Contreras to 2nd. Javier Baez advances to 3rd, on a throwing error by left fielder Andrew Toles.
0-1

4
Jason Heyward grounds out, second baseman Chase Utley to first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Javier Baez scores. Willson Contreras to 3rd.
0-2

4
Addison Russell homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field. Willson Contreras scores.
0-4

5
Anthony Rizzo homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field.
0-5

5
Justin Turner singles on a ground ball to left fielder Ben Zobrist, deflected by pitcher Mike Montgomery. Andrew Toles scores. Andre Ethier scores. Howie Kendrick to 3rd.
2-5

6
Dexter Fowler singles on a ground ball to right fielder Andrew Toles. Addison Russell scores. Mike Montgomery to 2nd.
2-6

6
Anthony Rizzo singles on a line drive to right fielder Andrew Toles. Mike Montgomery scores. Dexter Fowler scores. Kris Bryant to 2nd.
2-8

6
Javier Baez out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Joc Pederson. Kris Bryant scores. Anthony Rizzo scores. Ben Zobrist to 2nd. Throwing error by center fielder Joc Pederson.
2-10

Highlights

NLCS Gm4: Heyward nabs A-Gon on close play at home (0:12)
NLCS Gm4: Russell cranks a two-run homer off Urias (0:08)
NLCS Gm4: Rizzo rips a two-run single to right field (0:08)
NLCS Gm4: Puig lays out to snag Zobrist's liner (0:27)
NLCS Gm4: Contreras smacks RBI single to open scoring (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Rizzo launches a solo homer to right-center (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Fowler grounds an RBI single to right (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Cubs score two on sacrifice fly, error (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Heyward plates Baez with an RBI groundout (0:27)
NLCS Gm4: Turner gets the Dodgers on the board (0:30)
NLCS Gm4: Urias works out of trouble in the 2nd (0:24)
NLCS Gm4: Statcast measures Contreras' great throw (0:29)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Mike Montgomery (5-5, 2.52)
Julio Urias (5-3, 3.39)

Game ended at 12:12 AM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Series is now a best 2 out of 3. Kind of scary. If the Cubs bats are back for real, they've gotta be the favorites going forward (better regular season team, homefield advantage, starting three ace-quality pitchers). There were about 1,908 articles written yesterday about how the Cubs were "tested for the first time" and that Game 4 "would show what the team was made of," etc….

Shockingly, Game 4 revealed to us that the Cubs are a good team.

Hate to say it, but I don't think you can count Arrieta as an ace right now. He pretty clearly hasn't been the same guy in the 2nd half and playoffs that he was the past couple seasons

Hes been mediocre in the playoffs and 2nd half of the season. Hes definitely not a #2 pitcher right now

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 4 Toronto Blue Jays defeat Cleveland Indians 5-1

Next Day Threads Rules Reminder:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noonish eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CLE
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
1
2
1

TOR
0
0
1
1
0
0
2
1
x
5
9
0

Box Score

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

RF
Bautista
5
1
0
0
0
1
.071

DH
Santana, C
4
0
0
0
0
1
.143

LF
Upton Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

2B
Kipnis
4
0
0
0
0
2
.067

3B
Donaldson
3
1
1
1
1
1
.357

SS
Lindor
4
0
0
0
0
0
.267

1B
Encarnacion
4
0
2
2
0
0
.267

1B
Napoli
3
0
0
0
1
2
.167

SS
Tulowitzki
3
1
1
0
1
0
.143

3B
Ramirez, Js
3
0
0
0
0
0
.077

C
Martin, R
3
0
0
0
1
1
.071

RF
Chisenhall
2
0
0
0
0
1
.333

DH
Saunders
4
0
2
0
0
2
.385

PH-CF
Davis, R
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF-RF
Carrera
4
1
2
1
0
0
.286

LF
Crisp
2
1
0
0
1
1
.167

CF
Pillar
3
0
0
1
0
1
.077

CF-RF
Naquin
2
0
1
0
0
1
.222

2B
Goins
3
1
1
0
1
2
.200

PH-RF
Guyer
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Sanchez, Aa
6.0
2
1
1
2
5
95-54
1.50

Kluber
5.0
4
2
2
2
7
89-59
1.59

Cecil
1.0
0
0
0
0
2
11-8
0.00

Otero
1.0
2
0
0
0
0
18-11
3.86

Grilli
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
12-6
0.00

Shaw, B
0.1
2
2
1
1
0
15-7
3.86

Osuna
1.0
0
0
0
0
2
10-9
0.00

Clevinger
1.2
1
1
1
1
1
26-14
5.40

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

3
Josh Donaldson homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field.
1-0

4
Ezequiel Carrera singles on a soft fly ball to center fielder Tyler Naquin. Troy Tulowitzki scores. Russell Martin to 2nd.
2-0

5
Roberto Perez doubles (1) on a fly ball to left fielder Ezequiel Carrera. Coco Crisp scores.
2-1

7
Edwin Encarnacion singles on a sharp ground ball to center fielder Rajai Davis. Ryan Goins scores. Jose Bautista scores. Josh Donaldson out at 3rd on the throw, center fielder Rajai Davis to first baseman Mike Napoli to third baseman Jose Ramirez. Edwin Encarnacion to 2nd.
4-1

8
Kevin Pillar out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Brandon Guyer. Ezequiel Carrera scores.
5-1

Highlights

ALCS Gm4: Donaldson opens scoring with solo homer (0:17)
ALCS Gm4: Carrera plates Tulowitzki on single in 4th (0:19)
ALCS Gm4: Donaldson lays out to rob Santana of a hit (0:15)
ALCS Gm4: Encarnacion drives in a pair on single (0:16)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Aaron Sanchez (16-2, 3.0)
Corey Kluber (18-10, 3.14)

Game ended at 7:12 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Fun fact: Since the LCS switched to best-of-7 in 1985, there have been eight LCS sweeps. Seven of those teams lost the World Series.

Sweeps are bad, mkay?

Edit: the one team that won was the 1995 Braves

oh my bad, i was 8 at the time and was are worried about the next episode of Dragon Ball Z and spongebob then baseball, who was the one that had a sweep in the LCS and won the world series?

and if i remember right, who did the braves beat in 1995 to win the world series? >:) ITS THE CIRCLE OF LIFE!!

lmao. my man. Last week's episode was a tease, so I'm hoping we get some good action this week. Think Gowasu is actually going to come up big?

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 4 Toronto Blue Jays defeat Cleveland Indians 5-1 baseball

Next Day Threads Rules Reminder:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noonish eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CLE
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
1
2
1

TOR
0
0
1
1
0
0
2
1
x
5
9
0

Box Score

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

RF
Bautista
5
1
0
0
0
1
.071

DH
Santana, C
4
0
0
0
0
1
.143

LF
Upton Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

2B
Kipnis
4
0
0
0
0
2
.067

3B
Donaldson
3
1
1
1
1
1
.357

SS
Lindor
4
0
0
0
0
0
.267

1B
Encarnacion
4
0
2
2
0
0
.267

1B
Napoli
3
0
0
0
1
2
.167

SS
Tulowitzki
3
1
1
0
1
0
.143

3B
Ramirez, Js
3
0
0
0
0
0
.077

C
Martin, R
3
0
0
0
1
1
.071

RF
Chisenhall
2
0
0
0
0
1
.333

DH
Saunders
4
0
2
0
0
2
.385

PH-CF
Davis, R
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF-RF
Carrera
4
1
2
1
0
0
.286

LF
Crisp
2
1
0
0
1
1
.167

CF
Pillar
3
0
0
1
0
1
.077

CF-RF
Naquin
2
0
1
0
0
1
.222

2B
Goins
3
1
1
0
1
2
.200

PH-RF
Guyer
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Sanchez, Aa
6.0
2
1
1
2
5
95-54
1.50

Kluber
5.0
4
2
2
2
7
89-59
1.59

Cecil
1.0
0
0
0
0
2
11-8
0.00

Otero
1.0
2
0
0
0
0
18-11
3.86

Grilli
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
12-6
0.00

Shaw, B
0.1
2
2
1
1
0
15-7
3.86

Osuna
1.0
0
0
0
0
2
10-9
0.00

Clevinger
1.2
1
1
1
1
1
26-14
5.40

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

3
Josh Donaldson homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field.
1-0

4
Ezequiel Carrera singles on a soft fly ball to center fielder Tyler Naquin. Troy Tulowitzki scores. Russell Martin to 2nd.
2-0

5
Roberto Perez doubles (1) on a fly ball to left fielder Ezequiel Carrera. Coco Crisp scores.
2-1

7
Edwin Encarnacion singles on a sharp ground ball to center fielder Rajai Davis. Ryan Goins scores. Jose Bautista scores. Josh Donaldson out at 3rd on the throw, center fielder Rajai Davis to first baseman Mike Napoli to third baseman Jose Ramirez. Edwin Encarnacion to 2nd.
4-1

8
Kevin Pillar out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Brandon Guyer. Ezequiel Carrera scores.
5-1

Highlights

ALCS Gm4: Donaldson opens scoring with solo homer (0:17)
ALCS Gm4: Carrera plates Tulowitzki on single in 4th (0:19)
ALCS Gm4: Donaldson lays out to rob Santana of a hit (0:15)
ALCS Gm4: Encarnacion drives in a pair on single (0:16)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Aaron Sanchez (16-2, 3.0)
Corey Kluber (18-10, 3.14)

Game ended at 7:12 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Fun fact: Since the LCS switched to best-of-7 in 1985, there have been eight LCS sweeps. Seven of those teams lost the World Series.

Sweeps are bad, mkay?

Edit: the one team that won was the 1995 Braves

oh my bad, i was 8 at the time and was are worried about the next episode of Dragon Ball Z and spongebob then baseball, who was the one that had a sweep in the LCS and won the world series?

and if i remember right, who did the braves beat in 1995 to win the world series? >:) ITS THE CIRCLE OF LIFE!!

lmao. my man. Last week's episode was a tease, so I'm hoping we get some good action this week. Think Gowasu is actually going to come up big?

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 3 Los Angeles Dodgers defeat Chicago Cubs 6-0 baseball

Next Day Threads Rules Reminder:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noonish eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0

LAD
0
0
1
2
0
1
0
2
x
6
10
0

Box Score

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

2B
Utley
4
0
0
0
0
1
.000

CF
Fowler
4
0
1
0
0
0
.231

P
Jansen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Bryant
4
0
2
0
0
2
.333

SS
Seager, C
4
0
3
1
0
1
.364

LF-2B
Zobrist
4
0
0
0
0
0
.100

3B
Turner
4
1
1
1
0
1
.200

1B
Rizzo
3
0
1
0
1
1
.091

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
0
0
0
1
.273

2B-SS
Baez, J
4
0
0
0
0
1
.273

RF
Reddick
2
1
1
0
0
0
.333

RF
Soler
1
0
0
0
1
1
.000

PH-RF
Puig
2
1
2
0
0
0
.286

PH-LF
Coghlan
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Pederson
4
1
1
1
0
2
.182

SS
Russell
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Grandal
3
1
1
3
1
1
.167

PH-RF
Heyward
1
0
0
0
0
1
.143

LF
Toles
2
1
1
0
0
0
.500

C
Montero
2
0
0
0
0
0
.250

PH-LF-2B
Kendrick
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PH-C
Contreras
1
0
0
0
0
1
.250

P
Hill, R
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Arrieta
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Wood, T
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
1
0
0
0
0
0
.500

P
Grimm
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Dayton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Almora Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Hernandez, E
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Montgomery
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Hill, R
6.0
2
0
0
2
6
93-60
0.00

Arrieta
5.0
6
4
4
0
5
83-53
7.20

Blanton
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
13-10
27.00

Wood, T
0.2
1
0
0
1
1
19-12
0.00

Dayton
0.2
1
0
0
0
1
16-11
0.00

Grimm
1.1
1
0
0
0
1
14-10
0.00

Jansen
1.1
1
0
0
0
2
21-15
0.00

Montgomery
1.0
2
2
2
0
1
21-13
11.57

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

3
Corey Seager singles on a line drive to right fielder Jorge Soler. Andrew Toles scores. Corey Seager to 2nd on the throw.
1-0

4
Yasmani Grandal homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field. Josh Reddick scores.
3-0

6
Justin Turner homers (1) on a line drive to center field.
4-0

8
Joc Pederson doubles (1) on a line drive to left fielder Chris Coghlan. Yasiel Puig scores.
5-0

8
Yasmani Grandal grounds out, shortstop Javier Baez to first baseman Anthony Rizzo. Joc Pederson scores.
6-0

Highlights

NLCS Gm3: Seager opens the scoring with an RBI single (0:07)
NLCS Gm3: Grandal belts two-run home run in 4th (0:07)
NLCS Gm3: Turner extends lead with solo jack in 6th (0:07)
NLCS Gm3: Statcast measures Grandal's two-run homer (0:24)
NLCS Gm3: Rizzo beats out broken-bat infield single (0:30)
NLCS Gm3: Hill masterful in six scoreless frames (0:30)
NLCS Gm3: Puig legs out single off pitcher's glove (0:30)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Rich Hill (13-5, 2.12)
Jake Arrieta (18-9, 3.1)

Game ended at 11:31 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

With Hill, Jansen, and Turner we're seeing 3 guys who are going to get PAID this offseason. Wonder who, if any, stays with LA.

Agreed. I think the odds of Turner returning are a bit higher though. There's been reports they're already talking about a contract.

He's been quoted as saying that he owes his baseball life to the dodgers and that he can't imagine playing anywhere else. So… combine that with the fact that we don't have a 3rd baseman in our minor league system. I say he gets signed.

I went to high school in Long Beach. I don't think we played Mayfair. Which kinda sucks since it would be a cool story to say I played against him.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 3 Los Angeles Dodgers defeat Chicago Cubs 6-0

Next Day Threads Rules Reminder:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noonish eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0

LAD
0
0
1
2
0
1
0
2
x
6
10
0

Box Score

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

2B
Utley
4
0
0
0
0
1
.000

CF
Fowler
4
0
1
0
0
0
.231

P
Jansen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Bryant
4
0
2
0
0
2
.333

SS
Seager, C
4
0
3
1
0
1
.364

LF-2B
Zobrist
4
0
0
0
0
0
.100

3B
Turner
4
1
1
1
0
1
.200

1B
Rizzo
3
0
1
0
1
1
.091

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
0
0
0
1
.273

2B-SS
Baez, J
4
0
0
0
0
1
.273

RF
Reddick
2
1
1
0
0
0
.333

RF
Soler
1
0
0
0
1
1
.000

PH-RF
Puig
2
1
2
0
0
0
.286

PH-LF
Coghlan
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Pederson
4
1
1
1
0
2
.182

SS
Russell
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Grandal
3
1
1
3
1
1
.167

PH-RF
Heyward
1
0
0
0
0
1
.143

LF
Toles
2
1
1
0
0
0
.500

C
Montero
2
0
0
0
0
0
.250

PH-LF-2B
Kendrick
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PH-C
Contreras
1
0
0
0
0
1
.250

P
Hill, R
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Arrieta
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Wood, T
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
1
0
0
0
0
0
.500

P
Grimm
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Dayton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Almora Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Hernandez, E
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Montgomery
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Hill, R
6.0
2
0
0
2
6
93-60
0.00

Arrieta
5.0
6
4
4
0
5
83-53
7.20

Blanton
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
13-10
27.00

Wood, T
0.2
1
0
0
1
1
19-12
0.00

Dayton
0.2
1
0
0
0
1
16-11
0.00

Grimm
1.1
1
0
0
0
1
14-10
0.00

Jansen
1.1
1
0
0
0
2
21-15
0.00

Montgomery
1.0
2
2
2
0
1
21-13
11.57

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

3
Corey Seager singles on a line drive to right fielder Jorge Soler. Andrew Toles scores. Corey Seager to 2nd on the throw.
1-0

4
Yasmani Grandal homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field. Josh Reddick scores.
3-0

6
Justin Turner homers (1) on a line drive to center field.
4-0

8
Joc Pederson doubles (1) on a line drive to left fielder Chris Coghlan. Yasiel Puig scores.
5-0

8
Yasmani Grandal grounds out, shortstop Javier Baez to first baseman Anthony Rizzo. Joc Pederson scores.
6-0

Highlights

NLCS Gm3: Seager opens the scoring with an RBI single (0:07)
NLCS Gm3: Grandal belts two-run home run in 4th (0:07)
NLCS Gm3: Turner extends lead with solo jack in 6th (0:07)
NLCS Gm3: Statcast measures Grandal's two-run homer (0:24)
NLCS Gm3: Rizzo beats out broken-bat infield single (0:30)
NLCS Gm3: Hill masterful in six scoreless frames (0:30)
NLCS Gm3: Puig legs out single off pitcher's glove (0:30)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Rich Hill (13-5, 2.12)
Jake Arrieta (18-9, 3.1)

Game ended at 11:31 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

This was the first postseason game in a long time where i did not feel like something terrible was about to happen.

That Washington series was stressful as all hell. Sunday's lead was one swing away from evaporating. This game was a welcome breath of fresh air.

Prior to elimination games, queasiness (while winning) doesn't begin until the ~5th inning. But that's just me

EDIT: We weren't winning yet but for the same reason, too much game left for that whole "Man I hope we don't blow this" thing to surface just yet

With Hill, Jansen, and Turner we're seeing 3 guys who are going to get PAID this offseason. Wonder who, if any, stays with LA.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 3 Cleveland Indians defeat Toronto Blue Jays 4-2

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We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CLE
1
0
0
1
0
2
0
0
0
4
7
0

TOR
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
2
7
0

Box Score

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

RF
Bautista
3
0
1
0
1
1
.111

DH
Santana, C
4
1
0
0
1
0
.200

3B
Donaldson
3
0
1
0
1
0
.364

2B
Kipnis
4
1
1
1
0
0
.091

1B
Encarnacion
4
0
0
0
0
0
.182

SS
Lindor
3
0
0
0
1
2
.364

SS
Tulowitzki
3
0
0
0
1
1
.091

1B
Napoli
3
2
2
2
1
1
.222

C
Martin, R
4
0
0
0
0
3
.091

3B
Ramirez, Js
4
0
1
1
0
0
.100

DH
Saunders
3
1
1
1
0
1
.333

RF
Chisenhall
4
0
0
0
0
1
.400

PH-DH
Navarro
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

LF
Crisp
3
0
1
0
1
0
.250

CF
Pillar
4
0
1
0
0
1
.100

LF
Davis, R
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Carrera
3
1
2
0
0
0
.200

CF
Naquin
4
0
1
0
0
2
.143

PH
Upton Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Perez, R
4
0
1
0
0
2
.111

2B
Goins
2
0
0
1
0
0
.000

PH
Smoak
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

2B
Barney
1
0
0
0
0
0
.200

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Stroman
5.1
3
4
4
3
5
94-59
6.75

Bauer
0.2
0
0
0
2
1
21-9
0.00

Biagini
0.2
1
0
0
0
0
14-11
0.00

Otero
1.1
2
1
1
0
0
20-15
6.75

Grilli
0.2
1
0
0
0
1
10-6
0.00

Manship
1.1
1
0
0
0
1
20-12
0.00

Cecil
1.1
0
0
0
1
1
15-8
0.00

McAllister
1.0
1
1
1
0
0
12-9
9.00

Osuna
1.0
2
0
0
0
1
15-9
0.00

Shaw, B
1.2
2
0
0
0
2
28-16
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Mike Napoli doubles (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Kevin Pillar, deflected by right fielder Jose Bautista. Carlos Santana scores.
0-1

2
Michael Saunders homers (1) on a fly ball to left field.
1-1

4
Mike Napoli homers (1) on a fly ball to center field.
1-2

5
Ryan Goins grounds out, pitcher Zach McAllister to shortstop Francisco Lindor to first baseman Mike Napoli. Ezequiel Carrera scores.
2-2

6
Jason Kipnis homers (1) on a line drive to right center field.
2-3

6
Jose Ramirez singles on a line drive to right fielder Jose Bautista. Mike Napoli scores.
2-4

Highlights

ALCS Gm3: Bauer exits with finger wound in the 1st (0:20)
ALCS Gm3: Saunders hits a solo home run to left (0:19)
NLCS Gm3: Napoli smacks RBI double, belts solo homer (0:20)
ALCS Gm3: Kipnis gives Tribe lead with solo homer (0:19)
ALCS Gm3: Crisp saves a run with a sliding catch (0:20)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Bryan Shaw (3-5, 3.24)
Marcus Stroman (9-11, 4.37)

Game ended at 11:36 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Did anyone else think the Jays looked completely deflated? They were swinging out of their shoes at bad pitches, and taking strikes right down the middle. It looked like they were desperately praying to run into a ball and hit a homer.

The Blue Jays also haven't been playing great baseball for a while. In September and October (reg + post), they're 17-19 (.472) with a -5 run differential.

That's kinda been the story of this team this past year. When they're down, it's long ball or nothing. Shame too because they're arguably a more well rounded team than last year but the bats just haven't been there for like a month (excluding the ALDS)

It's like they refuse to foul pitches off to see another. If they can't crush it, they let it go.

That's surprising to hear, we've had 6 months to get used to it.

How long you need to keep that awful flair, btw?

Quietest game in Toronto all season I would imagine. Fans just had very little to be excited about for 9 innings.

Certainly they seemed to be just praying for the best and keep getting frustrated. So amazed that they still haven't figured out Miller at least little bit yet, like Miller is an amazing pitcher, but come on, as major league team with one of the better offenses, should put some effort trying to figure stuff out.

Same thing applies to Allen too, it's like Jays hitters are only looking for heaters and trying to hit dongs instead of figuring out breaking pitches (Miller's slider or Allen's Knuckle Curve) when Indians pitchers just throw them more than half of the time.

Cleveland pictching hasn't been making any mistakes whatsoever.

This offense is feast or famine. They love to pull the ball and hit fastballs.

So what happens when you throw plenty of offspeed on the corners? Weak contact.

Shatkins will need to retool the offense with younger guys and with players who aren't all or nothing. It wouldn't hurt to bring Edwin back, though. And maybe a rightfielder who isn't egotistical.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 2 Los Angeles Dodgers defeat Chicago Cubs 1-0

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

LAD
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
3
1

CHC
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0

Box Score

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Fowler
4
0
0
0
0
1
.222

2B
Utley
3
0
0
0
1
2
.000

3B
Bryant
4
0
0
0
0
2
.250

SS
Seager, C
3
0
0
0
1
1
.143

1B
Rizzo
3
0
0
0
1
0
.000

3B
Turner
2
0
0
0
1
0
.167

LF
Zobrist
3
0
0
0
0
1
.167

1B
Gonzalez, A
3
1
1
1
1
1
.429

SS
Russell
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Reddick
4
0
1
0
0
0
.250

2B
Baez, J
3
0
1
0
0
1
.429

P
Jansen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Contreras
3
0
1
0
0
2
.333

CF
Pederson
3
0
0
0
1
0
.143

RF
Heyward
3
0
0
0
0
0
.167

C
Grandal
1
0
0
0
2
0
.000

P
Hendricks
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF
Toles
2
0
0
0
0
1
.500

P
Edwards Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-LF
Hernandez, E
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Soler
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Kershaw
3
0
1
0
0
1
.333

P
Montgomery
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Puig
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Strop
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Montero
1
0
0
0
0
1
.500

P
Chapman
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Hendricks
5.1
3
1
1
4
5
91-54
1.69

Kershaw
7.0
2
0
0
1
6
84-55
0.00

Edwards Jr.
0.2
0
0
0
0
0
2-2
0.00

Jansen
2.0
0
0
0
0
4
18-16
0.00

Montgomery
1.0
0
0
0
2
1
18-8
6.75

Strop
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
14-9
9.00

Chapman
1.0
0
0
0
1
0
14-7
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

2
Adrian Gonzalez homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field.
0-1

Highlights

NLCS Gm2: Adrian opens scoring with solo homer on FS1 (0:07)
NLCS Gm2: Baez starts heads-up double play on FS1 (0:10)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Clayton Kershaw (13-4, 1.69)
Kyle Hendricks (16-9, 2.13)

Game ended at 10:56 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Cubs: .177/.261/.387
Dodgers: .197/.319/.311

Both teams struggling offensively, pretty badly. Corey Seager and Anthony Rizzo are both big bats that have gone silent. Tomorrow's matchup features Hill vs. Arrieta.

Last night was just Kershaw doing Kershaw things. Kershaw leads the league in fastballs down the heart of the plate. He throws first pitch fastball ~70% of the time, generating a first pitch swing percent of ~33%, yet has one of the lowest first pitch OPS, at .472. He threw just 9 curveballs, relying on just 2 pitches last night to allow only 3 baserunners.

The Dodgers still went 0-7 with RISP, while the Cubs went 0-1. Dodgers need to capitalize if they expect to win.

EDIT:

For what it's worth, these were 538's MLB statistical matchups for the series:

format is pitcher (statistical chance of winning)

Dodgers
Cubs

Game 1
Maeda (32%)
Lester (68%)

Game 2
Kershaw (46%)
Hendricks (54%)

Game 3
Hill (50%)
Arrieta (50%)

Game 4
– (53%)
Lackey (47%)

Game 5
– (50%)
– (50%)

Game 6
– (41%)
– (59%)

Game 7
– (41%)
– (59%)

To be fair, both teams have only faced amazing pitching. What did we expect?

Dodgers: Scherzer (x2), Hendricks, Lester, Roark, and even Gio Gonzalez and Joe Ross are decent, plus Chapman and Melancon, etc…
Cubs: Cueto, Bumgarner, Moore, Kershaw, Maeda, Jansen, etc…

I think there's too much blame being put on the hitters and not enough credit being given to the pitchers.

Overall ERA (regular season) of the opposition's starters

Cubs opposing starters: 3.02ERA
Dodgers opposing starters: 3.00ERA

I was too lazy to calculate all of the relief pitchers used

It warms my heart seeing Karl on these "great pitching" lists when we talk about rough days for an offense.

Dodgers really missed a lot of opportunities to increase their lead. There were a few times with guys on first and second and they didn't even move them over.

Also, whatever the fuck Puig's bunt was last night.

Whoever has been complaining about games going too long hasn't watched much of the Championship series. That game was two hours and forty five minutes.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 2 Cleveland Indians defeat Toronto Blue Jays 2-1

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

TOR
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
3
1

CLE
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
x
2
4
0

Box Score

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Davis, R
4
1
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Carrera
4
0
0
0
0
1
.000

2B
Kipnis
4
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Donaldson
4
0
1
1
0
1
.375

SS
Lindor
4
0
2
1
0
1
.500

1B
Encarnacion
3
0
0
0
1
1
.286

1B
Napoli
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

RF
Bautista
3
0
0
0
1
2
.000

DH
Santana, C
2
1
1
1
1
1
.333

SS
Tulowitzki
4
0
0
0
0
0
.125

3B
Ramirez, Js
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Martin, R
3
0
1
0
0
2
.143

LF
Guyer
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

DH
Saunders
2
0
0
0
0
2
.333

RF
Chisenhall
3
0
1
0
0
0
.667

PH-DH
Upton Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Perez, R
2
0
0
0
1
2
.000

CF
Pillar
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Tomlin
5.2
3
1
1
2
6
85-52
1.59

Happ
5.0
4
2
2
1
4
94-62
3.60

Shaw, B
0.1
0
0
0
0
0
6-4
0.00

Biagini
2.0
0
0
0
1
2
29-15
0.00

Miller, A
2.0
0
0
0
0
5
24-18
0.00

Osuna
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
13-10
0.00

Allen
1.0
0
0
0
0
2
13-8
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

2
Carlos Santana homers (1) on a line drive to left center field.
1-0

3
Josh Donaldson doubles (1) on a line drive to right fielder Lonnie Chisenhall. Darwin Barney scores.
1-1

3
Francisco Lindor singles on a ground ball to center fielder Kevin Pillar. Rajai Davis scores.
2-1

Highlights

ALCS Gm2: Santana belts a solo shot on TBS (0:17)
ALCS Gm2: Donaldson plates Barney on double on TBS (0:19)
ALCS Gm2: Davis helps create go-ahead run on TBS (0:19)
ALCS Gm2: Miller strikes out the side in order on TBS (0:19)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Josh Tomlin (14-9, 4.4)
J.A. Happ (20-5, 3.18)

Game ended at 6:56 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

I'd say he's definitely the early favourite. Especially when you consider that with the off days he could reasonably end up pitching in 6 or even all 7 games.

With the Indians offence being how it is there is no doubt miller has a shot.. But the series isn't over I wouldn't count them out yet

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLCS Game 1 Chicago Cubs defeat Los Angeles Dodgers 8-4

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

LAD
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
2
1
4
9
0

CHC
1
2
0
0
0
0
0
5
x
8
9
0

Box Score

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Fowler
5
2
2
1
0
1
.400

LF
Kendrick
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Bryant
4
0
2
1
1
0
.500

PH-2B
Utley
1
1
0
0
1
0
.000

1B
Rizzo
5
0
0
0
0
2
.000

3B
Turner
4
0
1
0
0
0
.250

LF
Zobrist
3
1
1
0
1
0
.333

SS
Seager, C
4
0
1
0
0
2
.250

SS
Russell
4
0
0
0
0
1
.000

RF
Puig
4
0
0
0
0
1
.000

RF
Heyward
3
2
1
0
1
0
.333

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

2B
Baez, J
4
1
2
1
0
0
.500

P
Dayton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Ross, D
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
2
2
0
1
.500

PH
Coghlan
0
1
0
0
1
0
.000

C
Ruiz
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Contreras
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-C
Grandal
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Lester
0
0
0
0
2
0
.000

2B-RF
Hernandez, E
2
0
0
0
2
0
.000

PH
Soler
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Pederson
4
1
1
0
0
2
.250

P
Wood, T
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Maeda
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

P
Edwards Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
1
1
1
1
0
0
1.000

P
Montgomery
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Baez, P
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Strop
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Stripling
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Chapman
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-LF
Toles
2
1
2
1
0
0
1.000

PH
Montero
1
1
1
4
0
0
1.000

P
Rondon
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Lester
6.0
4
1
1
1
3
77-47
1.50

Maeda
4.0
4
3
3
3
2
66-41
6.75

Wood, T
0.1
0
0
0
0
0
3-1
0.00

Baez, P
2.0
1
0
0
1
3
34-21
0.00

Edwards Jr.
0.1
0
0
0
1
1
11-6
0.00

Stripling
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
10-6
0.00

Montgomery
0.1
1
1
1
0
1
5-5
27.00

Blanton
0.2
4
5
5
2
0
28-13
67.50

Strop
0.0
1
1
1
1
0
10-4
-.–

Dayton
0.1
0
0
0
0
0
3-3
0.00

Chapman
1.0
1
0
0
0
2
17-13
0.00

Rondon
1.0
2
1
1
0
0
15-11
9.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Kris Bryant doubles (1) on a line drive to center fielder Joc Pederson. Dexter Fowler scores.
1-0

2
Javier Baez doubles (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Joc Pederson. Jason Heyward scores.
2-0

2
With Jon Lester batting, Javier Baez steals (1) home.
3-0

5
Andre Ethier homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field.
3-1

8
Adrian Gonzalez singles on a sharp ground ball to center fielder Dexter Fowler. Andrew Toles scores. Chase Utley scores. Justin Turner to 3rd.
3-3

8
Miguel Montero hits a grand slam (1) to right field. Ben Zobrist scores. Jason Heyward scores. Chris Coghlan scores.
7-3

8
Dexter Fowler homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
8-3

9
Andrew Toles doubles (1) on a sharp line drive to center fielder Dexter Fowler. Joc Pederson scores.
8-4

Highlights

NLCS Gm1: Zobrist cuts down Gonzalez at the plate (0:08)
NLCS Gm1: Baez steals home in the 2nd inning (0:07)
NLCS Gm1: Adrian ties game with two-run single in 8th (0:07)
NLCS Gm1: Montero belts grand slam to give Cubs lead (0:07)
NLCS Gm1: Statcast measures Bryant's RBI double (0:43)
NLCS Gm1: Fowler makes a spectacular diving snag (0:19)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Aroldis Chapman (5-1, 1.55)
Joe Blanton (7-3, 2.48)

Game ended at 11:50 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

I bet we keep him. He loves Chicago and the Cubs don't really have anything they NEED to acquire this offseason. We'll probably either keep Fowler or Chapman and I'm hoping it's Fowler.

They need room for Almora. He's major league ready for his glove alone, and he's not been completely inept at the plate. Why pay Fowler when they can bring up Almora and use the Fowler money to try and keep Chapman?

You can keep both. The Cubs payroll is still relatively low compared to our market size. It would probably lead to a Soler trade in the offseason, and let Almora become the 4th outfielder.

The real problem is that Baez needs to play every day, he's shown that. So assume that pushes Zobrist to the outfield, then you've got Zobrist-Fowler-Heyward, with Schwarber, Soler, Almora all jockeying for spot starts? Even if you deal Soler, Schwarber needs to be on the field as much as possible as well. It's getting very crowded, I just can't imagine they pay up to keep Fowler unless he wants to take less and stay. And in this offseasons outfielder market, he's going to get PAID.

If I'm the FO, i wanna see how Schwarber has recovered and can handle real game time before dealing Jorge.

That's a fair point. Soler also hasn't regained his value from last season. So it probably doesn't make sense to deal him yet.

If you're the FO you should still be kicking yourself for not trading him to an AL team, where he belongs as a DH, before the injury.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALCS Game 1 Cleveland Indians defeat Toronto Blue Jays 2-0

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Box score can be found here.

Cleveland now leads the best of seven series 1-0.

Big apologies for the lateness/shoddiness of this Next Day Thread. The mod that usually posts it was unavailable today, but we wanted to make sure you all had the chance to discuss the game without all the memes, etc.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

All it took was one bad pitch from the Jays and the Tribe made them pay. Also glad Kluber lasted 6.1 innings. Gotta save that pen for game 4

I think we're one of the best teams in baseball at playing with a win. If we have a lead going into the 6th inning, we're usually going to close it out.

one terrible call from martin. lindor was late on every fastball just enough to foul them off, it was obvious he was looking changeup, so obviously martin calls for a changeup and lindor didn't miss it

You can't keep calling for the same pitch over and over again. If anything I wanted a breaking ball with two strikes but not another fastball

Estrada throws a curve and a cutter, both of which are above average and both of which had been thrown like once all game until that point. When he kept fouling fastball, Martin should have called one of those two pitches.

It really did look like he could get that curve for a strike whenever he wanted. The hitters just weren't looking for it at all.

He missed his spot though.

Martin is set up outside here: http://i.imgur.com/p0ueCaT.jpg but look where the pitch ends: http://i.imgur.com/ArS9jmb.jpg

I think the change up was the right call right there, he was cruising with the change up.

Marco Estrada missed his spot to Francisco Lindor. A change-up caught too much of the plate. "It’s killing me right now," Estrada said.

Bullpen should be set loose tonight. With an off day tomorrow, no reason to rest any pieces if the need for bullpen help arises tonight.

You guys stole it, and good on you. Seemed like it would be our night with how many runners we put on against Kluber.

Also we have know for a year and a half how good Marco Estrada is, but he's at the point where throwing a complete game allowing 3 runs or less is just… normal. He's been unreal.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLDS Game 5 Los Angeles Dodgers defeat Washington Nationals 4-3

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

LAD
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
4
8
0

WSH
0
1
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
3
7
0

Box Score

WSH

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF-2B
Turner, T
5
0
1
0
0
1
.318

2B
Utley
3
0
0
0
0
1
.188

RF
Harper
3
0
1
0
2
1
.235

PH-C
Ruiz
2
1
1
1
0
1
.500

LF
Werth
3
0
0
0
2
3
.389

SS
Seager, C
5
0
0
0
0
1
.130

2B-1B
Murphy, Dn
3
1
1
0
2
0
.438

3B
Turner
4
0
1
2
1
1
.400

3B
Rendon
4
0
0
0
0
2
.150

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
1
0
0
1
.200

P
Melancon
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Reddick
4
0
1
0
0
1
.267

PH
Difo
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

CF
Pederson
3
1
2
1
1
0
.333

1B
Zimmerman
2
0
1
0
1
0
.353

C
Grandal
1
0
0
0
2
1
.125

P
Solis
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PR
Barnes, A
0
1
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Kelley
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Dayton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Perez, O
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Jansen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Drew
0
0
0
0
1
0
.000

P
Kershaw
0
0
0
0
0
0
.333

SS
Espinosa
3
1
1
1
1
0
.143

LF
Toles
2
0
1
0
0
0
.222

C
Lobaton
2
0
0
0
0
1
.222

PH-LF
Kendrick
1
1
1
0
1
0
.333

PH
Heisey
1
1
1
2
0
0
.250

P
Hill, R
1
0
0
0
0
0
.333

C
Severino
1
0
0
0
0
0
.100

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Scherzer
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

PH
Ethier
1
0
0
0
0
1
.500

P
Rzepczynski
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Urias, J
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Treinen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-2B
Culberson
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

1B
Robinson, C
1
0
1
0
0
0
.667

PR
Ross, J
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Taylor
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

WSH
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Scherzer
6.0
5
1
1
2
7
99-65
3.75

Hill, R
2.2
3
1
1
2
6
55-34
6.43

Rzepczynski
0.0
0
1
1
1
0
4-0
4.50

Blanton
1.1
0
0
0
0
0
18-12
0.00

Treinen
0.1
1
1
1
0
1
6-4
6.75

Urias, J
2.0
1
0
0
2
1
30-16
0.00

Solis
0.1
1
1
1
0
0
9-6
1.93

Dayton
0.0
2
2
2
1
0
13-7
16.20

Kelley
0.0
1
0
0
0
0
3-1
0.00

Jansen
2.1
1
0
0
4
4
51-29
6.75

Perez, O
1.0
0
0
0
1
0
13-8
0.00

Kershaw
0.2
0
0
0
0
1
7-5
5.84

Melancon
1.1
0
0
0
1
1
15-9
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

2
Danny Espinosa singles on a line drive to right fielder Josh Reddick. Daniel Murphy scores. Ryan Zimmerman to 3rd on the throw.
1-0

7
Joc Pederson homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field.
1-1

7
Carlos Ruiz singles on a sharp ground ball to left fielder Jayson Werth, deflected by third baseman Anthony Rendon. Austin Barnes scores. Howie Kendrick to 2nd.
1-2

7
Justin Turner triples (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Trea Turner. Howie Kendrick scores. Carlos Ruiz scores.
1-4

7
Chris Heisey homers (1) on a fly ball to left field. Danny Espinosa scores.
3-4

Highlights

LAD@WSH Gm5: Espinosa lines an RBI single to right (0:07)
LAD@WSH Gm5: Scherzer escapes bases-loaded jam in 5th (0:09)
LAD@WSH Gm5: Turner hammers two-run triple to center (0:07)
LAD@WSH Gm5: Heisey belts clutch two-run jack to left (0:07)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Julio Urias (6-2, 3.39)
Marc Rzepczynski (1-1, 2.64)

Game ended at 12:44 AM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

A real punch in the nuts loss for the Nats, but overall an epic game. The home crowd really represented well. It's gonna be tough to reflect over the offseason how close Washington was to winning this. Credit Turner, Jansen, Kershaw, and Roberts' balls for winning it for LA. But man, the Nats had so many opportunities/mistakes:

First and third, 1 out in the 2nd inning. A fly ball would plate a run. A well-placed ground ball would plate a run. Nats can't score.
First and third, 1 out in the 3rd inning. A simple ground ball or fly ball by Werth would plate a run. Werth strikes out and Rendon lines out. Nats don't score.
Fifth inning, Bryce Harper picked off. I know Urias has a great move, but damn hate seeing that with Werth at the plate. (It may have been a balk, so can't blame Harper too much.)
Sixth inning, Jayson Werth thrown out at home by 25 feet after an inexplicable send by the Nats third base coach.
Seventh inning, tie game. Dusty Baker pulls Scherzer with 99 pitches. Just like in the Giants game, a whole army of relievers cough up a bunch of runs. Easy to second guess in hindsight, but damn.
Seventh inning, bases loaded for Rendon. He strikes out. Momentum goes back to LA.
Eighth inning, man on first and no outs, Espinosa bunt pops out. No rally.
Ninth inning, two on, one out. Murphy and Difo can't get the tying run in from second base.

Runs are hard to come by in the playoffs, but I didn't understand sending Werth home and also why they didn't run on Jansen.

Are runs really that hard to come by in the playoffs? I've looked at the past 5 years and compared runs per game for each year of the playoffs to the respective runs per game in the regular season. There is pretty much no difference.

You forgot Pederson. He had that lead off HR to get the ball moving. It was a 1 run victory after all.

Keep in mind that the Dodger were 0-7 with the bases loaded in the 5 games. Included 3 times in game 2 that we lost.

Each team had moments of severe "un-clutch"

I really don't get why you pull scherzer there. It's not like we were shelling the guy, he threw a decent pitch that Joc got a hold of. That's it.

I think the logic was that it was a bit of a gamble to send him back out for the seventh at all. He hadn't given up any runs, but the Dodgers were starting to string hits together against him. The home run was just the "Well, shit" moment where Dusty suddenly second-guessed his decision.

Plus, it was basically a clean inning — no outs, bases empty. Seems like a reasonable time to put in a reliever. Unfortunately (or, depending on who you're for, fortunately), it didn't work out for him.

Starting in the 4th when Utley and Seager took him full, and then Turner had that epic AB they were starting to zone in on him. Nationals have a great pen, totally understand why they go to them there.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLDS Game 4 Los Angeles Dodgers defeat Washington Nationals 6-5

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Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

WSH
1
0
1
0
0
0
3
0
0
5
8
0

LAD
2
0
2
0
1
0
0
1
x
6
7
0

Box Score

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

WSH

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

2B
Utley
4
0
1
1
0
2
.231

CF
Turner, T
5
3
3
0
0
2
.353

SS
Seager, C
5
0
0
0
0
2
.167

RF
Harper
3
1
0
0
2
1
.214

3B
Turner
3
2
1
1
0
0
.455

LF
Werth
3
0
2
1
0
1
.467

1B
Gonzalez, A
3
1
1
2
1
1
.188

2B
Murphy, Dn
3
0
2
4
0
0
.462

RF
Reddick
2
1
1
0
1
0
.273

3B
Rendon
4
0
0
0
0
2
.188

PH-RF
Puig
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

1B
Zimmerman
4
0
0
0
0
2
.333

CF
Pederson
3
0
1
2
0
2
.250

SS
Espinosa
4
1
1
0
0
2
.091

C
Grandal
4
0
0
0
0
1
.133

C
Severino
4
0
0
0
0
2
.111

LF
Toles
3
1
0
0
0
1
.143

P
Ross, J
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Kershaw
2
1
1
0
1
1
.333

P
Perez, O
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Baez, P
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Taylor
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Avilan
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Lopez, R
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Heisey
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Ethier
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

P
Rzepczynski
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Jansen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Treinen
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

WSH
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Kershaw
6.2
7
5
5
2
11
110-76
6.17

Ross, J
2.2
3
4
4
2
3
55-30
13.50

Baez, P
0.0
0
0
0
0
0
1-0
0.00

Perez, O
1.1
0
0
0
0
2
16-12
0.00

Avilan
0.0
1
0
0
0
0
2-1
0.00

Lopez, R
2.0
2
1
1
1
3
45-27
4.50

Blanton
1.1
0
0
0
0
2
19-15
0.00

Rzepczynski
0.2
0
0
0
0
1
6-4
0.00

Jansen
1.0
0
0
0
0
2
13-9
12.00

Treinen
1.0
2
1
1
0
2
20-13
3.86

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Daniel Murphy singles on a ground ball to right fielder Josh Reddick. Trea Turner scores. Bryce Harper to 2nd.
0-1

1
Adrian Gonzalez homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field. Justin Turner scores.
2-1

3
Daniel Murphy out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Joc Pederson. Trea Turner scores.
2-2

3
Justin Turner singles on a fly ball to left fielder Jayson Werth. Clayton Kershaw scores.
3-2

3
Joc Pederson hit by pitch. Justin Turner scores. Adrian Gonzalez to 3rd. Josh Reddick to 2nd.
4-2

5
Joc Pederson doubles (1) on a fly ball to left fielder Jayson Werth. Josh Reddick scores.
5-2

7
Jayson Werth hit by pitch. Danny Espinosa scores. Trea Turner to 3rd. Bryce Harper to 2nd.
5-3

7
Daniel Murphy singles on a line drive to center fielder Joc Pederson. Trea Turner scores. Bryce Harper scores. Jayson Werth to 3rd.
5-5

8
Chase Utley singles on a ground ball to right fielder Bryce Harper. Andrew Toles scores. Andre Ethier to 3rd.
6-5

Highlights

WSH@LAD Gm4: Gonzalez smacks a two-run jack on FS1 (0:06)
WSH@LAD Gm4: Clayton doubles, scores on single on FS1 (0:07)
WSH@LAD Gm4: Murphy ties it with two-run hit on FS1 (0:07)
WSH@LAD Gm4: Utley rips a go-ahead single on FS1 (0:10)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Joe Blanton (8-2, 2.48)
Blake Treinen (4-2, 2.28)

Game ended at 8:50 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

This to me has been the most exciting series (beyond being a Nats fan) and no one seems to care about it. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, thanks Dodgers.

No one seems to care because of the Cubs and EYBS from the Giants narratives. It's been crazy and I've felt every emotion this series. Best of luck tomorrow dudes, I hope you lose.

to be fair. The Cubs-Giants series was also pretty good. Those last two games were so crazy I'm slightly less sad than I would be otherwise.

Kershaw got 21 swinging strikes yesterday. He's had 21 or more swinging strikes sixteen times in his career. (his record is 35 from a game last year, which is just ridiculous)

Just… holy shit.

As I read through these comments, and I stumble upon this one; I hear Vin Scully in the background of my room on my tv telling me about Kershaw's swing and misses ratio in a replay of the 6/20/16 game that was supposed to be the Kershaw vs Strasburg match up that never happend.

WTF was with Puig's checked swing? That was such a bullshit call. It was with 2 outs, I don't expect that to win the game, but was such a bullshit call.

Depends on the camera angle. It really was a bullshit call but on at least 1 angle you can see he brings the bat really far forward– he still doesn't go around, but it's close enough that you can see where the ump went for it. These umps have not been the picture of accuracy, whole series long.

Yea but as Robert's was arguing, that isn't that umps call to make, it was the first based umps call. Which is why he was so rightfully upset, umped tried to take the game into his own hands, horse shit call, no way around it.

Nats needed to win that game yesterday. I have no faith in them winning a game 5. None. After the comeback, they needed to finish it while they had the chance.

And of course the big story in DC isn't even about the game per se, it's about Metro screwing everyone over. So when the stadium is half empty in the 8th of a game 5, don't fan shame. The metro is closing and people will be stranded if they don't leave.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLDS Game 4 Chicago Cubs defeat San Francisco Giants 6-5

Next Day Threads Rules Reminder:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noonish eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

CHC
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
0
4
6
6
0

SF
1
0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
5
11
2

Box Score

SF

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Span
5
1
2
1
0
2
.267

CF
Fowler
3
0
0
0
1
2
.133

1B
Belt
5
0
0
0
0
1
.133

P
Rondon
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Posey
2
0
0
1
1
0
.333

P
Chapman
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Pence
4
1
1
0
0
1
.222

3B
Bryant
4
1
1
0
0
2
.375

SS
Crawford, B
4
1
1
0
0
2
.235

1B
Rizzo
2
1
1
0
2
1
.067

3B
Gillaspie
4
1
4
1
0
0
.400

LF-2B
Zobrist
4
1
1
1
0
1
.188

2B
Panik
3
1
2
1
0
1
.600

SS
Russell
3
0
0
0
0
0
.067

LF
Blanco, G
3
0
0
0
1
1
.125

PH
Coghlan
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Strickland
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-LF
Contreras
1
0
1
2
0
0
.667

P
Moore
3
0
1
1
0
1
.333

RF-CF
Heyward
4
1
0
0
0
1
.083

P
Law
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

2B-SS
Baez, J
4
1
1
1
0
0
.375

P
Lopez
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Ross, D
3
1
1
2
0
1
.167

P
Romo
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Lackey
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Smith, W
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Almora Jr.
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF
Hernandez, Go
1
0
0
0
0
1
.167

P
Grimm
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

SF
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Moore
8.0
2
2
1
2
10
120-76
1.13

Lackey
4.0
7
3
3
2
4
74-42
6.75

Law
0.0
1
1
1
0
0
4-2
3.86

Grimm
0.1
2
2
2
0
0
10-6
18.00

Lopez
0.0
0
1
1
1
0
6-2
13.50

Wood, T
1.2
1
0
0
0
2
27-19
2.70

Romo
0.0
1
1
1
0
0
5-2
13.50

Edwards Jr.
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
13-7
0.00

Smith, W
0.1
1
1
0
0
0
4-3
0.00

Rondon
1.0
1
0
0
0
1
11-7
5.40

Strickland
0.2
1
0
0
0
0
5-5
0.00

Chapman
1.0
0
0
0
0
3
13-10
2.70

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Buster Posey out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Jason Heyward. Denard Span scores.
1-0

3
David Ross homers (1) on a fly ball to left field.
1-1

4
Matt Moore singles on a ground ball to right fielder Jason Heyward. Conor Gillaspie scores. Joe Panik to 3rd. Gregor Blanco to 2nd.
2-1

4
Denard Span grounds into a force out, first baseman Anthony Rizzo to shortstop Addison Russell. Joe Panik scores. Gregor Blanco to 3rd. Matt Moore out at 2nd. Denard Span to 1st.
3-1

5
David Ross out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Hunter Pence. Javier Baez scores.
3-2

5
Conor Gillaspie singles on a line drive to center fielder Dexter Fowler. Hunter Pence scores. Brandon Crawford to 3rd.
4-2

5
Joe Panik out on a sacrifice fly to left fielder Ben Zobrist. Brandon Crawford scores.
5-2

9
Ben Zobrist doubles (2) on a line drive to right fielder Hunter Pence. Kris Bryant scores. Anthony Rizzo to 3rd.
5-3

9
Willson Contreras singles on a ground ball to center fielder Denard Span. Anthony Rizzo scores. Ben Zobrist scores.
5-5

9
Javier Baez singles on a ground ball to center fielder Denard Span. Jason Heyward scores.
5-6

Highlights

CHC@SF Gm4: Ross drills a solo homer to left field (0:07)
CHC@SF Gm4: Moore laces an RBI single to right field (0:07)
CHC@SF Gm4: Pence nabs Fowler at second on force (0:06)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Hector Rondon (3-3, 3.53)
Will Smith (2-5, 3.35)

Game ended at 12:08 AM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

The Giants were kidding themselves if they thought they would be able to get away with their bullpen troubles in the playoffs. They were going to get exposed at some point. The Cubs were the better team

I foolishly had thought that once they won game 4 a Cueto-ReliefBum CG would circumvent the opportunity for them to blow it. The chaos in Chicago losing a game 5 might burn the city down. Oh well.

I think you're underestimating how accustomed Chicago is to losing. Winning the pennant, on the other hand, might cause another great fire.

I thought that was definitely possible, and then the NLCS would be the place where our weaknesses would get exposed.

While last night hurts, could you imagine the suicidal yuckiness of it happening against the Dodgers in the NLCS?

The Blue Jays have Osuna though, who is miles better than the "closer by committee" that the Giants brought out.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALDS Game 3 Toronto Blue Jays defeat Texas Rangers 7-6

Matt Bush was incredible and really didn't deserve to get the L in this one. I think Lucroy had a terrible series and if he even makes a little bit of an effort to block that ball in the dirt from Kela, this one ends 6-5, and we're watching Game 4 right now.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Agree with the Lucroy observation. He seemed to miss a lot of balls this series and it led to more than one run.

Couldn't agree more. He looked stellar, and threw more pitches than he ever had in a big league game. You would have expected to give up at least one hit, and he just so happened to do so with no outs.

He does simply for what a crappy person he was/is outside of baseball, but yeah, he was damn good in this series.

The ball from Kela wasn't in the dirt, it was a straight passed ball off Lucroy's glove. He just whiffed.

The 2016 Rangers will probably go down as one of the worst or one of the most unprepared playoff teams of all time. Any other teams that fit that description?

Eh, best record in the majors and a +143 run differential, second in the majors.

Unprepared, sure. They shit the bed pretty badly.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLDS Game 2 Chicago Cubs defeat San Francisco Giants 5-2

The first move Theo and Jed made when they came to Chicago was trading Sean Marshall to Cincy for Travis Wood. Well done boys

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

And I was sitting next to Sean Marshall at the game, no joke, upper deck at Wrigley. Guy didn't cheer a single time, was with a girl, and left after the 8th inning. As if he just still lives in Chicago and wanted to see what his old team was up to.

The fact that he was able to pitch afterwards is a very good sign. I have a feeling Maddon took him out for precautionary reasons.

Maddon said Hendricks first pitch was way outside and not a good sign. Even if Hendricks came back, he would sit in the dugout and it would swell, or he'd put ice on it and be done anyway. Better to get him the X-ray and put a reliever in immediately, especially when the reliever can have as many warmup pitches as he wants. Plus, he's got a pitcher with a great bat that throws from the other side

The first one was way out, but he took two or three more practice throws that looked solid from where I was. And after the x-ray it sounded like everything was good and he just needed to ice it for swelling, shouldn't miss anything.

He could get up to 10 days off if the Cubs move on to the NLCS. 7 days if they kept him as the 2nd pitcher, but they could bump him back to 4th and give him a few more.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALDS Game 2 Cleveland Indians defeat Boston Red Sox 6-0

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about the game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

BOS
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
1

CLE
0
4
0
1
0
1
0
0
x
6
9
0

Box Score

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

BOS

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Davis, R
3
0
0
1
0
1
.000

2B
Pedroia
3
0
0
0
1
1
.125

2B
Kipnis
3
0
1
1
1
0
.571

3B
Holt, B
4
0
1
0
0
1
.500

SS
Lindor
4
0
0
0
0
2
.125

RF
Betts
3
0
1
0
1
0
.167

1B
Napoli
4
0
1
0
0
0
.250

DH
Ortiz
4
0
0
0
0
0
.125

DH
Santana, C
4
1
1
0
0
1
.143

1B
Ramirez, H
4
0
0
0
0
2
.250

3B
Ramirez, Js
4
1
2
0
0
1
.571

SS
Bogaerts
4
0
1
0
0
1
.125

LF
Guyer
4
2
3
1
0
1
.750

LF
Benintendi
3
0
0
0
0
0
.286

RF
Chisenhall
4
1
1
3
0
1
.250

C
Leon, S
2
0
0
0
1
1
.167

C
Perez, R
2
1
0
0
2
1
.400

CF
Bradley Jr.
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

BOS
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Kluber
7.0
3
0
0
3
7
104-60
0.00

Price
3.1
6
5
5
2
3
65-47
13.50

Otero
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
16-12
0.00

Barnes
1.2
3
1
0
0
1
22-16
0.00

Shaw, B
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
10-7
5.40

Ross Jr.
0.1
0
0
0
0
1
3-3
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

2
Brandon Guyer singles on a line drive to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Carlos Santana scores. Jose Ramirez to 3rd.
1-0

2
Lonnie Chisenhall homers (1) on a line drive to right field. Jose Ramirez scores. Brandon Guyer scores.
4-0

4
Jason Kipnis singles on a line drive to left fielder Andrew Benintendi. Roberto Perez scores. Rajai Davis to 2nd.
5-0

6
Rajai Davis out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Brandon Guyer scores.
6-0

Highlights

BOS@CLE Gm2: Chisenhall delivers a three-run home run (0:21)
BOS@CLE Gm2: LeBron, Cavs energize crowd (0:20)
BOS@CLE Gm2: Guyer opens scoring with bloop single (0:20)
BOS@CLE Gm2: Kluber goes seven-plus vs. Red Sox (0:17)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Corey Kluber (19-9, 3.14)
David Price (17-10, 3.99)

Game ended at 8:00 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

It's impressive as fuck. Missing Carrasco and Salazar, plus their best position player in Brantley.

Brantley is average though

EDIT: down votes have informed me I must be the only one who remembers that ridiculous article a couple years ago calling Brantley the most average player in baseball

You must be the only one who didn't pay any attention to his 2014 and 2015 seasons; the years following that article.

I'll talk about it with you, buddy. Tito's been great so far this series, and everyone is contributing on offense.

The entire team has come together for these wins, it's fantastic. We just haven't don't much as far as stealing bases but that's about it. Our first to third game is on point

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLDS Game 1 Los Angeles Dodgers defeat Washington Nationals 4-3

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about the game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

LAD
1
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
8
1

WSH
0
0
2
1
0
0
0
0
0
3
9
0

Box Score

WSH

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LAD

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Turner, T
3
0
0
1
1
3
.000

2B
Utley
4
0
1
1
0
2
.250

RF
Harper
5
1
1
0
0
1
.200

P
Baez, P
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Werth
4
1
1
0
1
3
.250

P
Jansen
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

2B
Murphy, Dn
3
0
1
0
1
0
.333

SS
Seager, C
4
2
1
1
0
0
.250

3B
Rendon
4
0
2
2
0
0
.500

3B
Turner
3
1
2
2
0
0
.667

1B
Zimmerman
4
0
2
0
0
0
.500

1B
Gonzalez, A
4
0
0
0
0
0
.000

SS
Espinosa
3
0
0
0
0
3
.000

RF
Reddick
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PH-SS
Drew
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Dayton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Severino
3
1
1
0
0
0
.333

2B
Culberson
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PH
Robinson, C
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

CF
Pederson
4
0
0
0
0
2
.000

PR
Taylor
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Grandal
4
0
2
0
0
1
.500

C
Lobaton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Toles
2
1
1
0
0
0
.500

P
Scherzer
2
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH-LF
Kendrick
2
0
1
0
0
0
.500

PH
Difo
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Kershaw
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Solis
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Blanton
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Heisey
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

RF
Puig
0
0
0
0
2
0
.000

P
Melancon
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

WSH
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

LAD
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Scherzer
6.0
5
4
4
0
5
91-60
6.00

Kershaw
5.0
8
3
3
1
7
101-65
5.40

Solis
2.0
1
0
0
1
1
33-18
0.00

Blanton
0.2
0
0
0
1
0
13-5
0.00

Melancon
1.0
2
0
0
1
3
24-14
0.00

Dayton
0.2
0
0
0
1
1
16-9
0.00

Baez
1.0
0
0
0
0
0
8-5
0.00

Jansen
1.2
1
0
0
0
3
27-20
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Corey Seager homers (1) on a fly ball to center field.
0-1

3
Chase Utley singles on a sharp line drive to right fielder Bryce Harper. Andrew Toles scores.
0-2

3
Justin Turner homers (1) on a fly ball to left field. Corey Seager scores.
0-4

3
Anthony Rendon singles on a line drive to left fielder Andrew Toles. Bryce Harper scores. Jayson Werth scores.
2-4

4
Trea Turner out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Joc Pederson. Pedro Severino scores.
3-4

Highlights

LAD@WSH Gm1: Seager opens scoring with solo homer (0:09)
LAD@WSH Gm1: Jansen freezes Heisey, strands tying run (0:10)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Clayton Kershaw (13-4, 1.69)
Max Scherzer (20-8, 2.96)

Game ended at 9:26 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

This was kinda a weird game, neither Kershaw nor Scherzer pitched great and there was no scoring past the 4th. Also didn't Jensen pitch? why doesn't he have a line under the Dodgers's pitches?

Yeah I went to dinner right after the Dodger game ended and got back just in time to watch Baez murder that ball. Such a good baseball day.

It was the right move. We'd been allowing guys on base all night and were honestly pretty lucky to still have the lead at that point. They had the top of their line-up coming up in the 9th. We needed Jansen on the mound.

Watching dusty and Dave play mind games back and forth and make strategic managing decisions was porn for serious fans. That Jansen/ethier move in the 9th and dusty firing back by starting up the pen only to have Dave let kenley hit while dusty and Dave chuckled about it was awesome.

The double steal, the double switches with Trea coming up to the plate…ugh what an awesome game it was.

Here's to hoping ole piss-fingers has his Curveball on point today!

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NLDS Game 1 Chicago Cubs defeat San Francisco Giants 1-0

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about the game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

SF
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
0

CHC
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
x
1
3
0

Box Score

CHC

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

SF

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

CF
Fowler
3
0
0
0
0
2
.000

CF
Hernandez, Go
4
0
1
0
0
1
.250

3B
Bryant
3
0
1
0
0
1
.333

1B
Belt
3
0
0
0
0
2
.000

1B
Rizzo
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Nunez
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

LF
Zobrist
3
0
0
0
0
2
.000

C
Posey
4
0
2
0
0
0
.500

SS
Russell
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PR
Blanco, G
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Heyward
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Pence
4
0
1
0
0
0
.250

2B
Baez, J
3
1
2
1
0
0
.667

LF
Pagan
3
0
1
0
0
0
.333

C
Ross, D
2
0
0
0
0
1
.000

SS
Crawford, B
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Coghlan
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

2B
Tomlinson
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

C
Contreras
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Gillaspie
3
0
1
0
0
1
.333

P
Lester
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

P
Cueto
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

PH
La Stella
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000

P
Chapman
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CHC
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

SF
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Lester
8.0
5
0
0
0
5
86-60
0.00

Cueto
8.0
3
1
1
0
10
118-74
1.13

Chapman
1.0
1
0
0
0
1
21-13
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

8
Javier Baez homers (1) on a fly ball to left field.
1-0

Highlights

Ross nabs baserunners in 1st, 3rd (0:09)
SF@CHC Gm1: Hernandez slides to snare a line drive (0:09)
SF@CHC Gm1: Baez breaks the tie with a solo home run (0:10)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Jon Lester (20-5, 2.44)
Johnny Cueto (18-6, 2.79)

Game ended at 11:48 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Crazy pitching performance by Lester and Cueto. Both would have seriously warranted a thread on this subreddit in the regular season.

And Lester's post-season heroics continue.

God, I miss him. And Theo.

EDIT: I took out a dumb trade Price for Lester joke.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALDS Game 2 Toronto Blue Jays defeat Texas Rangers 5-3

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about the game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

TOR
0
2
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
5
6
0

TEX
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
2
0
3
13
0

Box Score

TEX

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LF
Gomez, C
5
0
2
1
0
1
.222

LF-RF
Carrera
4
1
1
1
0
2
.286

CF
Desmond
5
0
3
2
0
1
.333

3B
Donaldson
4
0
0
0
0
1
.500

DH
Beltran
5
0
1
0
0
1
.250

1B
Encarnacion
4
1
1
1
0
0
.333

3B
Beltre
4
0
1
0
1
1
.286

RF
Bautista
3
1
0
0
1
1
.286

2B
Odor
4
0
1
0
1
1
.143

LF
Upton Jr.
0
0
0
0
0
0
.250

C
Lucroy
5
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Martin, R
3
0
0
0
1
1
.000

1B
Rua
3
0
2
0
0
1
.667

SS
Tulowitzki
4
1
2
2
0
0
.556

PH-1B
Moreland
2
1
1
0
0
0
.200

DH
Saunders
4
0
1
0
0
2
.250

SS
Andrus
4
0
1
0
0
0
.429

CF
Pillar
4
1
1
1
0
0
.111

RF
Mazara
3
1
1
0
0
1
.333

2B
Barney
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Chirinos
0
0
0
0
1
0
.000

PR-RF
Hoying
0
1
0
0
0
0
.000

TEX
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Darvish
5.0
5
5
5
1
4
84-52
9.00

Happ
5.0
9
1
1
1
5
84-55
1.80

Barnette
2.0
1
0
0
0
1
20-14
0.00

Biagini
1.2
1
0
0
0
0
20-13
0.00

Bush
1.0
0
0
0
1
1
14-8
0.00

Cecil
0.0
0
0
0
1
0
4-0

Dyson, S
1.0
0
0
0
0
1
12-8
0.00

Grilli
0.1
0
0
0
0
0
4-2
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

2
Troy Tulowitzki homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field. Jose Bautista scores.
0-2

4
Ian Desmond singles on a ground ball to left fielder Ezequiel Carrera. Nomar Mazara scores. Carlos Gomez to 3rd.
1-2

5
Kevin Pillar homers (1) on a fly ball to left field.
1-3

5
Ezequiel Carrera homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field.
1-4

5
Edwin Encarnacion homers (1) on a line drive to left field.
1-5

8
Carlos Gomez singles on a line drive to center fielder Kevin Pillar, deflected by pitcher Francisco Liriano. Mitch Moreland scores. Jared Hoying to 3rd.
2-5

8
Ian Desmond grounds out, shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to first baseman Edwin Encarnacion. Jared Hoying scores. Carlos Gomez to 2nd.
3-5

Highlights

TOR@TEX Gm2: Tulo cranks a two-run homer to left (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm2: Desmond laces an RBI single to center (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm2: Blue Jays crush three homers in the 5th (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm2: Donaldson nabs Desmond at the plate (0:21)
TOR@TEX Gm2: Gomez lines RBI single off Liriano (0:20)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

J.A. Happ (21-4, 3.18)
Yu Darvish (7-6, 3.41)

Game ended at 4:40 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Here we are, on a Saturday, with nothing to do. I wonder if we could have played Game 2 today, instead of the middle of the fucking day on a weekday.

The Jays suffered through the exact same absurd scheduling during our series last year. The only difference this time is you guys have home field advantage.

Trust me, it's not you, it's us. The Jays are cancer to American TV ratings… I totally get why but I also think scheduling games at such weird times does a disservice to the sport as a whole.

You put all these same players on an american team and they'd consistently get the highest ratings.

They already do get the highest ratings: regular season Blue Jays ratings are far and away first in the majors. It's just that they're not a huge draw for American viewers, which TBS and FOX are obviously much more concerned with.

Our games have been hosed two years in a row on time. We were slotted for the day game originally tomorrow. It killed our attendance numbers because of that. If we had the night games, all those empty seats starting the game would have been full. I promise. I would have been there myself.

Either way it's a bit silly that MLB won't allow games to overlap AT ALL, even if it means a much better start time and better playing conditions.

Seriously. Can anyone remember the Jays ever been on Sunday Night Baseball even once? I can't for the life of me remember Jon Miller's voice over a Jays game.

"The Jays are cancer to American TV ratings"

Just out of curiosity, but if the postseason games are on national syndication, then could you explain why this is the case when the Jays have the benefit of having an entire nation (essentially) as its market as opposed to the smaller scale of just a single city? I'd have thought the ratings for the Jays' postseason games would be great for TBS/FS1 given the sheer attention the entire country is placing on them… I might be misunderstanding what you were saying though so any clarification would be helpful, thanks!

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALDS Game 1 Toronto Blue Jays defeat Texas Rangers 10-1

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about the game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

TOR
0
0
5
2
0
0
0
0
3
10
13
0

TEX
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
4
1

Box Score

TEX

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

TOR

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

LF
Gomez, C
4
0
0
0
0
2
.000

2B
Travis
5
1
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Desmond
4
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Donaldson
4
2
4
2
1
0
1.000

DH
Beltran
3
0
1
0
0
0
.333

3B
Barney
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

3B
Beltre
3
0
1
0
0
0
.333

1B
Encarnacion
5
2
2
0
0
0
.400

2B
Odor
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

1B
Smoak
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Lucroy
3
0
0
0
0
2
.000

DH
Bautista
4
2
2
4
1
0
.500

1B
Moreland
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

C
Martin, R
4
1
0
0
1
2
.000

SS
Andrus
3
1
2
0
0
0
.667

SS
Tulowitzki
5
0
3
3
0
0
.600

RF
Choo
3
0
0
1
0
2
.000

CF
Pillar
5
0
0
0
0
0
.000

TEX
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

TOR
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Hamels
3.1
6
7
6
3
1
82-56
16.20

Estrada
8.1
4
1
1
0
6
98-72
1.08

Claudio
3.2
2
0
0
2
0
35-23
0.00

Tepera
0.2
0
0
0
0
0
7-5
0.00

Barnette
1.0
1
0
0
0
0
9-7
0.00

Diekman
1.0
4
3
3
1
1
30-17
27.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

3
Rangers challenged (tag play), call on the field was upheld: Josh Donaldson doubles (1) on a sharp line drive to left fielder Carlos Gomez, deflected by third baseman Adrian Beltre. Ezequiel Carrera scores.
0-1

3
Jose Bautista singles on a ground ball to center fielder Ian Desmond. Josh Donaldson scores. Edwin Encarnacion to 2nd.
0-2

3
Troy Tulowitzki triples (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Ian Desmond. Edwin Encarnacion scores. Jose Bautista scores. Russell Martin scores.
0-5

4
Melvin Upton Jr. homers (1) on a fly ball to left field.
0-6

4
Josh Donaldson singles on a soft line drive to right fielder Shin-Soo Choo. Devon Travis scores.
0-7

9
Jose Bautista homers (1) on a line drive to left field. Josh Donaldson scores. Edwin Encarnacion scores.
0-10

9
Shin-Soo Choo grounds out to first baseman Justin Smoak. Elvis Andrus scores.
1-10

Highlights

TOR@TEX Gm1: Donaldson plates Carrera with RBI double (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Tulo clears bases with three-run triple (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Upton, Donaldson chase Hamels (0:19)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Gomez makes terrific grab in left (0:21)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Bautista launches three-run homer (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Estrada retires Moreland to end the 8th (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Bautista plates Donaldson with single (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Choo tracks down a deep fly in right (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Donaldson drives in Travis with single (0:20)
TOR@TEX Gm1: Upton drills a solo home run to left (0:20)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Marco Estrada (10-9, 3.48)
Cole Hamels (15-6, 3.32)

Game ended at 7:40 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

As badly as yesterday hurt, it was just one game out of (potentially) 5.

Texas has to be more patient when swinging at Estrada; he got them out of their shoes constantly. Even on the second deck, those swings were ugly. Very little solid contact, lots of weak pop-ups that stayed in play.

I'm a little worried about Yu because he's had some inconsistencies lately, but I'm more confident in him than I was in Cole yesterday.

The road team won the first four games in last year's ALDS. This is not unprecedented. The Jays' weak link is their bullpen, and the Rangers' strength is late-inning rallies. If we can put together better at-bats and get to the bullpen, we have a shot.

True, and Cecil has been really good. But outside of that, I'd say that's the weakest unit – it's definitely not your lineup or starting pitching. :/

This is not a great match up for us.

Our issue is pitching Depth

Cecil/Biagini/Osuna/Liriano/Grilli is a good pen.

The issue is if we go to anyone else than them.

We have a good playoff pen but a bad regular season pen if Osuna is healthy

A high scoring extra inning game where you come out on top would be best for you.

Happ had 15 starts with 1 ER or less and atleast 6 IP, 8 such when you make it 7 IP. He's gone less than 5 IP 2 times all year both against Tampa

Don't think so.

One he got shelled for 8 runs (I didn't watch that game)

The other one he just didn't have it in Tampa and we were on a cold spell so Gibby had a short leash

thank god its the playoffs. none of the guys like tepara, feldman etc will ever pitch a meaningful inning. from now on its just our best, and our best are really fucking good, especially when they're rested like they all are now

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread ALDS Game 1 Cleveland Indians defeat Boston Red Sox 5-4

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about the game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

BOS
1
0
1
0
1
0
0
1
0
4
10
0

CLE
0
1
3
0
1
0
0
0
x
5
10
0

Box Score

CLE

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

BOS

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

DH
Santana, C
3
0
0
0
0
0
.000

2B
Pedroia
5
1
1
0
0
3
.200

2B
Kipnis
4
1
3
2
0
1
.750

3B
Holt, B
4
1
3
1
0
0
.750

SS
Lindor
4
1
1
1
0
2
.250

RF
Betts
3
0
0
0
1
1
.000

1B
Napoli
4
0
1
0
0
2
.250

DH
Ortiz
4
0
1
0
0
1
.250

3B
Ramirez, Js
3
1
2
0
1
0
.667

PR-DH
Hernandez, M
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Chisenhall
4
0
1
1
0
2
.250

1B
Ramirez, H
4
0
2
1
0
1
.500

LF
Crisp
4
0
0
0
0
1
.000

SS
Bogaerts
4
0
0
0
0
3
.000

CF
Martinez, M
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Bradley Jr.
4
0
0
0
0
3
.000

CF
Naquin
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

C
Leon, S
4
1
1
1
0
1
.250

PH-CF-LF
Davis, R
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF
Benintendi
4
1
2
1
0
1
.500

C
Perez, R
3
2
2
1
0
1
.667

>CLE
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

BOS
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Bauer
4.2
6
3
3
0
6
78-52
5.79

Porcello
4.1
6
5
5
0
6
72-51
10.38

Miller, A
2.0
1
0
0
1
4
40-24
0.00

Pomeranz
2.1
3
0
0
1
5
51-30
0.00

Shaw, B
0.2
1
1
1
0
0
13-8
13.50

Kelly, J
0.1
0
0
0
0
1
6-3
0.00

Allen
1.2
2
0
0
0
4
40-26
0.00

Uehara
1.0
1
0
0
0
0
10-8
0.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

1
Indians challenged (tag play), call on the field was overturned: Hanley Ramirez doubles (1) on a line drive to center fielder Tyler Naquin. Dustin Pedroia scores. Brock Holt out at home on the throw, center fielder Tyler Naquin to shortstop Francisco Lindor to catcher Roberto Perez.
0-1

2
Red Sox challenged (tag play), call on the field was overturned: Lonnie Chisenhall singles on a line drive to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Jose Ramirez scores. Lonnie Chisenhall out at 2nd on the throw, center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. to catcher Sandy Leon to shortstop Xander Bogaerts.
1-1

3
Andrew Benintendi homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
1-2

3
Roberto Perez homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
2-2

3
Jason Kipnis homers (1) on a line drive to right center field.
3-2

3
Francisco Lindor homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
4-2

5
Sandy Leon homers (1) on a fly ball to right center field.
4-3

5
Jason Kipnis singles on a line drive to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Roberto Perez scores.
5-3

8
Brock Holt homers (1) on a fly ball to right field.
5-4

Highlights

BOS@CLE Gm1: Hanley hits RBI double, Holt out at home (0:20)
BOS@CLE Gm1: Chisenhall plates Ramirez, out at second (0:20)
BOS@CLE Gm1: Benintendi belts a solo jack in the 3rd (0:20)
BOS@CLE Gm1: The Tribe launch three homers in the 3rd (0:21)
BOS@CLE Gm1: Miller shines over two frames of relief (0:20)
BOS@CLE Gm1: Leon's HR makes it a one-run game in 5th (0:27)
BOS@CLE Gm1: Perez belts a 381-foot homer to right (0:11)
BOS@CLE Gm1: Perez launches a homer to right (0:30)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Andrew Miller (11-1, 1.45)
Rick Porcello (22-5, 3.15)

Game ended at 11:44 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

napoli said that toward the end of the game that he couldn't hear himself think. This is the first game i've seen since the 90's i've seen it so packed and so loud. having home field this series definitely helps this ball club.

I went to that game five when the cavs blew us out by like 72 points. It was really really loud. The city doesn't price out its working class. I love Cleveland.

I live about a mile from the Jake. Could tell when the game ended from my bed based on the crowd noise.

Won't lie, being a Sox fan just watching at home I could feel the crowd intensity. Hoping the Sox can take the win tonight and then go 3-1 after being at home, because I'd hate to see a game 5 back in Cleveland.

Maybe it was the audio and not the crowd, but I felt like I was watching a June 20th game for most of it. They got loud at the appropriate times, but it seemed pretty subdued otherwise. Nothing like Toronto or Fenway. But again, that's probably due to the audio.

Edit: People. Take it easy. I'm not saying it wasn't loud, I'm saying the TV audio didn't do it justice.

I was at the game and it was one of the loudest sporting events I have been at. I've been going to Indians games since I was a kid and this beat out any Opening Day game or other playoff game I witnessed. It was even louder then the Cavs games this past year.

Like I said, I'm sure it was just the TV audio judging by what everyone's saying on here, but what you're describing didn't translate for me for whatever reason. Not doubting that it was loud, just saying I didn't get that feeling.

Were you watching on TBS? The were commenting throughout the game about the energy, they called it "Toronto Loud"

Yeah I was, but they aren't listening on TV like I am, they're there. For the third time, I'm not saying it wasnt loud, I'm saying it didn't translate.

The TBS audio was definitely shitty. You could see how crazy the fans were but you couldn't properly hear them. Not enjoying the TBS coverage at all.

Yeah the TV audio wasn't great, but there was one fucking guy who I swear was clapping right next to the microphone. I had to turn the sound off, I couldn't handle it.

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Next Day Serious Discussion Thread NL Wild Card San Francisco Giants defeat New York Mets 3-0

Hey guys, we're trying something new out after some suggestions. You might've seen Next Day threads on /r/NBA during the playoffs. Here's how they work:

Next Day threads will go up the day after playoff games (shocker). They're for discussing the previous day's game after everyone has had some time to calm down and relax a bit. We're going to be aiming to get them up around noon eastern time to give all those West coasters a chance to wake up.
We're going to be moderating them more heavily than we would in the post game threads. This isn't a place for memes, jokes, or those sorts of comments that we have in plenty of other places. Rather, this will be focused on more in depth analysis and discussion. We'll be removing those offending comments and encourage you to also report ones you find as well.

Okay, so now we can get to talking about last night's intense pitching duel.

This isn't a place to go on about Even Year Bullshit or stuff like that. Discuss the actual game.

Line Score – Final

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
R
H
E

SF
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
3
5
0

NYM
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0

Box Score

NYM

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

SF

AB
R
H
RBI
BB
SO
BA

3B
Reyes
4
0
0
0
0
0
.000

CF
Span
4
0
1
0
1
1
.250

SS
Cabrera, A
3
0
1
0
1
0
.333

1B
Belt
2
0
0
0
2
0
.000

LF
Cespedes
4
0
0
0
0
2
.000

C
Posey
3
0
0
0
1
0
.000

CF
Granderson
4
0
0
0
0
0
.000

RF
Pence
4
0
0
0
0
2
.000

2B
Rivera, TJ
4
0
1
0
0
0
.250

SS
Crawford, B
3
1
1
0
1
1
.333

RF
Bruce
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

LF
Pagan
4
0
1
0
0
3
.250

C
Rivera, Re
3
0
1
0
0
0
.333

2B
Panik
3
1
0
0
1
2
.000

1B
Loney
1
0
0
0
1
0
.000

3B
Gillaspie
4
1
2
3
0
2
.500

PH-1B
Campbell
1
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Bumgarner
3
0
0
0
0
1
.000

P
Syndergaard
2
0
0
0
0
2
.000

P
Reed
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

PH
Kelly, T
1
0
1
0
0
0
1.000

P
Familia
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000

NYM
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

SF
IP
H
R
ER
BB
SO
P-S
ERA

Syndergaard
7.0
2
0
0
3
10
108-70
0.00

Bumgarner
9.0
4
0
0
2
6
119-78
0.00

Reed
1.0
1
0
0
2
1
20-10
0.00

Familia
1.0
2
3
3
1
1
27-16
27.00

Scoring Plays

Inning
Event
Score

9
Conor Gillaspie homers (1) on a line drive to right center field. Brandon Crawford scores. Joe Panik scores.
0-3

Highlights

NL WC: Granderson makes amazing grab, hits the wall (0:30)
NL WC: Bumgarner gets Cabrera on comebacker (0:20)
NL WC: Reed fans Pence to escape bases-loaded jam (0:19)

Decisions

Winning Pitcher
Losing Pitcher

Madison Bumgarner (16-9, 2.74)
Jeurys Familia (3-5, 2.55)

Game ended at 11:23 PM EDT.

Here is what the baseball community thinks;

Reminder: we're going to be a little more liberal removing memes, jokes, and general tomfoolery to give more intellectual discussions a chance to shine.

I know r/baseball isn't a big fan of "clutch" because of statistical evidence about it but every time I see something like a MadBum I have a hard time believing there aren't guys that just perform better in big spots.

The problem with "clutch" is the same problem as "streaks", statistically there's no rhyme or reason to when it will start or end. Sabermetric backs up the idea of "hot streaks", but there's no way to know when they start or end, so there's no statistical significance to them. At this point I don't think there are many people who would say they'd want anyone other than MadBum on the mound in a do-or-die game.

Exactly, if you have one or two critical innings, give me Miller or Britton. If you have a whole game full of critical innings, give me Kershaw. It's as simple as that. Well, except to Buck Showalter, of course.

Well, from a purely statistical standpoint, Madbum is signficantly ahead of Kershaw in October baseball. That's not saying I too wouldn't love Kershaw as my guy, but if we're breaking out analytics…

This is very true. October baseball seems like a completely different game, and Madbum knows how to play it.

MadBum's playoff history:

2010 – two ok starts, one great start

2012 – two awful starts, one great start

2014 – one truly dominant start (WC Game), one ok start (NLDS game 3), another dominant start (NLCS game 1), another ok start (NLCS game 5), then two dominant starts and a long relief appearance (WS)

2016 – one dominant start

I don't see any reason why a sample size of thirteen starts and a long relief appearance spread over six years is somehow more predictive of future performances than Clayton Kershaw's 21 starts in the past six months, but even so, Kershaw's 2016 was more impressive than MadBum's combined postseason appearances.

Can you explain why? Bumgarner's post season ERA is 1.94 over 90 innings, while Kershaws is 4.59 over 64 innings. Why would offices prefer Kershaw?

There's not any compelling evidence that postseason pitching history is more predictive of future postseason success than regular season pitching history. Prior to 2014, MadBum had a dubious playoff history (two horrible starts in the 2012 playoffs against the Reds and Cardinals).

I can't speak for front offices, but personally I find the >1000 innings of regular season work to be a more convincing indicator of their respective skill levels. Give me Kershaw any day.

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